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Old 12-18-2012, 02:02 PM  
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Would you be okay with ONE MORE year of this bullshit for Manziel and/or picks?

This may have been covered in currently existing threads, but I've been thinking about this a lot. Would you be okay with the Chiefs trading down or surrendering their first-round pick, in exchange for a first rounder next year (along with a second + either this year or next)?

We could pick up one of the many "slightly above average" guys with our second rounder this year, and we'd likely be in position to draft Manziel outright next year, or combine our firsts to move up to get him? Alternatively, this could of course apply to other QBs who see their stock rocket (personally, I think Aaron Murray at Georgia would be a great pick, but the jury's still out; Louisville's Bridgewater and VT's L Thomas also come to mind).

So, what say you? Could you tolerate that scenario? Would you tolerate it if we had a new coach and GM, and the trade back this year was very transparent about our motives for next year's draft?

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Old 12-18-2012, 02:24 PM   #46
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I just think the Chiefs are in a position they've never been in before Mr. Nickels; and they need to capitalize on it
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:26 PM   #47
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I can't speak for the Seahawks' situation, but nobody in this class (and, to be fair at the expense of my point, probably not in 2014 either) will improve a team like RGIII or Luck.
That's like saying that $50 doesn't help pay off your debt just because it isn't $100
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:28 PM   #48
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No, no, no, no. A billion times no.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:29 PM   #49
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I can't speak for the Seahawks' situation, but nobody in this class (and, to be fair at the expense of my point, probably not in 2014 either) will improve a team like RGIII or Luck.
True but I'm not willing to wait another ten years for the next luck or RG3 to come along. We are in position to get the best qb available this year and need to (finally) pull the goddamn trigger.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:30 PM   #50
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Okay, the title is admittedly loaded to imply that I have a hard-on for Manziel. He was just an example. My point is this...

Let's say you have the 2013 prospects rated as:
Geno Smith 88
Matt Barkley 83
Tyler Wilson 83
Tyler Bray 80
Glennon 78

Okay, so Smith rates higher than the others. But, by all accounts, this is a below-average class. Why not capitalize on the increasing pressure put on teams like NYJ and Philly, and trade for a first next year, plus picks. You could likely still draft a QB with above-average skill, and use the compensatory picks to complement the team in other areas, and draft another QB next year? If the second-rounder sucks, you'll be in position to draft a better QB next year, and if you're top-five and there's a can't-miss prospect, use the top-five plus an acquired first rounder to move up.. The latter is a situation of hedged bets that doesn't end up netting anything; the alternatives all seem positive and help build the team.
For me? Because I completely disagree that this is a below average class.

This is a below average class compared to 2012. If this exact class would've come out in 2011, people would have been very high on it.

And waiting until 2014 is NOT going to yield you a better draft class. That's where you're so twisted here. There isn't a Luck waiting next season. Next year's class is going to be significantly worse than this seasons.

Your suggestion is way too fraught with potential disasters. There are 8 QB-needy teams in this year's draft and any one of them could go QB in the first. Jesus, did anyone see Ponder or Locker going when they did? Gabbert? The 1st round just roars through QBs.

So what if the best of the lot is someone like Nassib or Manual in the 2nd round? !@#$. That. All in the name of waiting for a 2014 class that appears to be complete trash? So then what? Do we have this same stupid !@#$ing conversation in 2014 and talk about waiting until 2015?

No way. This is the most important position in sports and ours is currently occupied by clowns. We have a chance to take the best available one in the entire 2013 class.

We'd be fools to pass on it that.
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:30 PM   #51
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:31 PM   #52
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So if we are trading back, who are teams trading up to get? A QB, of course.


And our biggest gaping hole happens to be the QB, right?


This is ****ing depressing that someone thinks this way.

There isn't going to be an Andrew Luck come out for the next decade or more. It's time to draft the best prospect in this class, who happens to be a pretty damn good prospect, and move on.
I've said it before, but: I lean towards drafting Smith this year. I don't expect a Luck to emerge miraculously next year. This was just pondering. I'm fine with the responses thus far; I kind of expected it.

To address your question about who would draft up: NY Jets. Don't underestimate the persuasive force of ESPN. They are not just journalists anymore, considering the vested interest they have in the New York market. People who have defected from "the mothership"- Dan Patrick being the most notable- will tell you that there are concerted efforts by management to affect change in cities that carry a significant viewing market, to improve ratings.

Alternatively, Philly. That fanbase, and the local media, are savage. Public outcry and pressure can force a GMs hand. Again, to be fair, there's a lot of public outcry here, so it is somewhat similar. But nothing close to what it can be/ already is in Philly
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Old 12-18-2012, 02:32 PM   #57
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He's already at second in most 2014 NFL mock drafts, including Walter's: http://walterfootball.com/draft2014.php


Those one who sucks the peniss already have us in the top 5 AGAIN next year.
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