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Old 12-19-2012, 10:06 PM   #16
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Unfortunately SSRIs can cause many different side effects. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders IV is the most widely used source of diagnostic information for mental health by health professionals. It has “consistently confirmed that all anti-depressants can cause mania” which is a “potentially psychotic condition of intense mental and emotional excitement”.

Mania often involves feelings of invulnerability, extreme power, farfetched and elaborate plans, as well as the urge to commit violence. A recent controlled clinical trial of the SSRI Prozac showed that it caused mania in six percent of the test subjects. Other side effects of Prozac include agitation, anxiety, instability, confusion, hallucinations, hostility and psychosis. Studies have also repeatedly shown an increased risk of suicide for people taking an SSRI.
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So you have a drug that is designed to improve mood and in a small percentage they show enough symptoms to qualify for a manic episode...really not a big deal and is to be expected.

I am not a big medication person but when used properly the amount of people that benefit from SSRIs is far greater than those that are harmed or harm others. Like with anything they need to be used and prescribed properly which means not giving them to young children which is becoming all too common. Also, they are being used in place of therapy which is a bad idea as well. Btw, to a previous post, the brain is not fully developed until around the age of 25.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:08 PM   #17
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So you have a drug that is designed to improve mood and in a small percentage they show enough symptoms to qualify for a manic episode...really not a big deal and is to be expected.

I am not a big medication person but when used properly the amount of people that benefit from SSRIs is far greater than those that are harmed or harm others. Like with anything they need to be used and prescribed properly which means not giving them to young children which is becoming all too common. Also, they are being used in place of therapy which is a bad idea as well. Btw, to a previous post, the brain is not fully developed until around the age of 25.
Any drug that has the effect of missing a dose that causes suicidal/Psychopathic thoughts probably isn't worth it.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:34 PM   #18
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Any drug that has the effect of missing a dose that causes suicidal/Psychopathic thoughts probably isn't worth it.
Could it not be those thoughts arise because the medication keeps them at a distance considering those thoughts are often present before the medication was ever taken? Thus stopping a dose allows the original thoughts present prior to treatment to come back to the surface? Should people that take heart medications not take them because skipping a dose without a doctors recommendation might put them at risk for heart complications?
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:37 PM   #19
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Could it not be those thoughts arise because the medication keeps them at a distance considering those thoughts are often present before the medication was ever taken? Thus stopping a dose allows the original thoughts present prior to treatment to come back to the surface? Should people that take heart medications not take them because skipping a dose without a doctors recommendation might put them at risk for heart complications?
Well just about everyone misses a dose here and there, it's just our nature. I've heard that it's worse than ever if you come off of it cold turkey.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:45 PM   #20
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So you have a drug that is designed to improve mood and in a small percentage they show enough symptoms to qualify for a manic episode...really not a big deal and is to be expected.

I am not a big medication person but when used properly the amount of people that benefit from SSRIs is far greater than those that are harmed or harm others. Like with anything they need to be used and prescribed properly which means not giving them to young children which is becoming all too common. Also, they are being used in place of therapy which is a bad idea as well. Btw, to a previous post, the brain is not fully developed until around the age of 25.
Adults on them have committed violent crimes too. As far as I'm concerned, even if it's just 6% that get violent or 1% if they kill others, especially mass shootings, they're not worth it. It puts other people's right to life at risk. It's medical drugs for physical conditions that saves more lives and doesn't harm others where I think we can live with a percentage of failure.

As to my knowledge, coming off them is dangerous too.
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:50 PM   #21
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Well just about everyone misses a dose here and there, it's just our nature. I've heard that it's worse than ever if you come off of it cold turkey.
That depends on the person, their social support, and general level of functioning. I had a client taking a medication for depression and he quit cold turkey. He had a decent and stable support in the form of his family, and plenty of strong interests to occupy his mind. He acknowledged that the medication allowed him to think more clearly and maintain an improved mood. He got to the point where he felt he was going to be able to maintain without further assistance and did not want to develop a dependency. This is unique though.
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That depends on the person, their social support, and general level of functioning. I had a client taking a medication for depression and he quit cold turkey. He had a decent and stable support in the form of his family, and plenty of strong interests to occupy his mind. He acknowledged that the medication allowed him to think more clearly and maintain an improved mood. He got to the point where he felt he was going to be able to maintain without further assistance and did not want to develop a dependency. This is unique though.
Andrea Gates came off cocktail of drugs on her own, without her doctor's permission abruptly and drowned her children.

It's not a matter of social support and level of functioning, one has to come off them with a doctor.

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Deciding when and how to stop taking your antidepressant medication is an important step. You should always discuss this with your doctor and together decide whether it is the right time to stop. It is also important to keep in touch with your doctor during the time while you are coming off your medication to deal with problems that arise.

Usually these drugs should be slowly reduced in dose, since all antidepressants have the potential to cause withdrawal reactions. This is not a new finding, and has been recognised since these drugs were first introduced. Many doctors remain unaware of these and much more research is necessary into the cause...

When you stop taking antidepressants you will not suffer from 'cold turkey' in the way that opiate addicts do. However, it is common to get some symptoms if you stop an antidepressant abruptly, and these withdrawal symptoms are known as antidepressant discontinuation syndrome.

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Old 12-19-2012, 11:09 PM   #24
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Andrea Gates came off cocktail of drugs on her own, without her doctor's permission abruptly and drowned her children.

It's not a matter of social support and level of functioning, one has to come off them with a doctor.
Doctors don't tell people to quit cold turkey. He was taking about people that do come off them cold turkey, which we will assume is their own decision and not that of the doctor, so yes at that point it IS about their support systems and level of functioning.
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Old 12-19-2012, 11:26 PM   #25
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Adults on them have committed violent crimes too. As far as I'm concerned, even if it's just 6% that get violent or 1% if they kill others, especially mass shootings, they're not worth it. It puts other people's right to life at risk. It's medical drugs for physical conditions that saves more lives and doesn't harm others where I think we can live with a percentage of failure.

As to my knowledge, coming off them is dangerous too.
I am very bothered by the idea of putting young people on antidepressants. As I understand the way that they function, the pills mask the negative emotions or emotional states. I know that young adulthood is tough. But I think masking the rough stuff keeps them from having a chance to deal with it and mature.
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Doctors don't tell people to quit cold turkey. He was taking about people that do come off them cold turkey, which we will assume is their own decision and not that of the doctor, so yes at that point it IS about their support systems and level of functioning.
To my knowledge every single ssri states don't just stop taking the medicine, to consult a physician, and follow their guidance.
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To my knowledge every single ssri states don't just stop taking the medicine, to consult a physician, and follow their guidance.
Yeah this is true. But do people always follow the guidelines? No.
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I am very bothered by the idea of putting young people on antidepressants. As I understand the way that they function, the pills mask the negative emotions or emotional states. I know that young adulthood is tough. But I think masking the rough stuff keeps them from having a chance to deal with it and mature.
SSRIs do not really mask any emotions. Serotonin, and decreased levels of it, has been found to be one of the factors associated with people developing full blown major depressive disorder as well as other conditions. SSRIs allow for increased levels of serotonin in the brain, basically putting the levels back to levels of normal functioning people. So they don't mask the emotions, they minimize the effects of negative emotions that people have.

Instead of feeling completely worthless or guilty as a result of something negative happening to them or performing inadequately (which they will typically ruminate about further worsening the effect of the event), they have a better chance to think rationally about the circumstance and overcome the difficulties. This allows them to think more clearly and allows for more effective therapy. Therapy being the key factor because just taking the medications without therapy is pretty worthless.
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SSRIs do not really mask any emotions. Serotonin, and decreased levels of it, has been found to be one of the factors associated with people developing full blown major depressive disorder as well as other conditions. SSRIs allow for increased levels of serotonin in the brain, basically putting the levels back to levels of normal functioning people. So they don't mask the emotions, they minimize the effects of negative emotions that people have.

Instead of feeling completely worthless or guilty as a result of something negative happening to them or performing inadequately (which they will typically ruminate about further worsening the effect of the event), they have a better chance to think rationally about the circumstance and overcome the difficulties. This allows them to think more clearly and allows for more effective therapy. Therapy being the key factor because just taking the medications without therapy is pretty worthless.

Except that SSRIs don't actually work that way for everyone. Prozac, for instance, can leave you disconnected from your emotions and almost zombie-like.
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