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Old 12-19-2012, 12:43 PM  
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A gun control law that would actually work?

I'd say so.

A rundown of the idea:
  • A ban on firearms -- rifle or pistol -- that can hold more than six bullets.
  • A ban on firearms with detachable magazines.
Aggressive measures, sure. But one that would considerably slow down future rampages.

I don't know if that'd include buybacks on those kinds of firearms already out in the market, but to piss off the absolute maximum of the anti-gun control folks among us, let's go with that.

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A Gun Control Law That Would Actually Work
By Robert Wright
Dec 17 2012, 10:03 AM ET Comment

The AR-15 is getting its fifteen minutes of fame. Whole articles in major newspapers are devoted to the rifle that Adam Lanza used in the Newtown shooting, as the nation begins to debate restoring the ban on "assault weapons."

But the assault weapons issue is a red herring.

First of all, there's no clear and simple definition of an assault weapon, and this fact has in the past led to incoherent regulation. The defunct 1994 assault weapons ban, according to the Wall Street Journal, outlawed "semiautomatic rifles that accepted detachable magazines and possessed at least two other characteristics, including a protruding pistol grip, flash suppressor or threaded barrel or a folding or telescoping stock." Um, how important was it whether the gun Lanza used had a "flash suppressor"? And, by sacrificing that and a few other such features ("protruding pistol grip," etc.), a mass killer gets to keep his detachable magazine, for rapid reloading?

Second, focusing on assault weapons--or even rifles in general--distracts from the important issue of magazine capacity in pistols. It's true that if you had taken away Lanza's AR-15, he wouldn't have had a rifle that could fire 30 rounds without reloading. However, he was also carrying two pistols--a Glock 20 and a Sig Sauer P226--each of which can fire 15 rounds without reloading. And, actually, since two pistols are less conspicuous than a rifle, they're a more effective way to get 30 rounds of continuous fire into lots of public settings.

Imagine the following world, which it's within our power to create: It's illegal to sell or possess a firearm--rifle or pistol--that can hold more than six bullets. And it's illegal to sell or possess a firearm with a detachable magazine. In other words, once a shooter exhausted the six rounds, he couldn't just snap in another six-round magazine; he'd have to put six more bullets in the gun one by one.

In this world, a significant number of those 20 Newtown first graders would almost certainly be alive. Lanza reportedly fired six bullets from his AR-15 just to get inside the locked school. So, in the alternative universe I just described, he would then have to more or less exhaust one of his two pistols to kill the principal and school psychologist he encountered after entering. At that point, as he headed for the classrooms, he'd have six more rapid-fire bullets left, after which he'd have to reload his guns bullet by bullet.

Is there a single legitimate use of firearms that requires more than six rounds of continuous fire? Certainly not hunting. And not any sort of self-defense that's realistically imaginable, unless you've recently antagonized a Mexican drug cartel.

As the gun lobby gears up to battle proposals such as this one, you'll hear a lot about the fact that mass killings are actually a drop in the bucket of total homicides. True. But mass killings take a disproportionate toll on the nation psychologically and spiritually. Thirty individual people dying in isolated assaults in various cities is a horrible thing, but it doesn't terrify our children, and it doesn't turn our schools into bunkers.

The sort of law I'm describing would make lots of current guns illegal. (I actually own one.) So you'd have to phase the law in over a couple of years, and, to overcome political resistance, you might have to compensate gun owners for surrendering newly illegal guns--or for having them altered to comply with the law. And, even then, the resistance would be very, very strong. It might even turn out to be insurmountable. But if the question is "What could we do that would greatly reduce the scale of mass killings while preserving the right of Americans to use firearms for legitimate purposes," this, it seems to me, is a real answer.

Update, 12/17 4:25 p.m.: More than one commenter has noted that most handguns currently manufactured would be illegal under my proposal. True. (As I noted in the final paragraph, I own such a gun.) And on Twitter, @drgitlin has noted something I didn't realize: A revolver, which would be clearly legal under my proposal, can be loaded fairly quickly with a "speedloader." Well, if speedloaders are indeed so speedy that they're the functional equivalent of detachable magazines, they could be banned. And as for the fact that most or all non-revolver pistols would be illegal under my proposal: You'd be surprised how fast gun manufacturers would fill this void by designing semi-automatics that could hold a maximum of six bullets and could only be loaded one bullet at a time. I'm not saying this makes my proposal politically feasible; the number of existing owners of conventional semi-automatic pistols (i.e. semi-automatics with detachable magazines) might create insurmountable resistance to it, as I noted in the final paragraph. Still, governments do have the power to ban things that exist, and in this case creating substitutes that complied with the new law would be very doable. And, even if banning detachable magazines in pistols does prove politically infeasible, that doesn't mean we can't make real progress by doing the politically easier thing of banning all magazines, for both rifles and handguns, that hold more than six bullets. And it's a trivial matter for manufacturers to create magazines that would fit existing guns and comply with that law. In any event, we shouldn't be fooled into thinking that another ban on "assault weapons" is by itself significant progress.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:52 PM   #166
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As for Sarah Brady not being a socialist or not. I don't go by if someone has an R or a D on their name. There are some Republicans who are socialist ( Nixon and Bush Jr come to mind.) and often the wives are more to the left than than husbands. Remember Laura Bush dissing Republicans for not wanting to pass Obamacare? Even Reagan's wife was more liberal.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:53 PM   #167
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It was just two when you first made your claim. You couldn't even do that.
Don't change the goalposts.


Amazing. Most people would have enough shame to not insist that someone prove every last one of their assertions to be untrue when several have already been proven so. You're really something.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:53 PM   #168
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Amazing. Most people would have enough shame to not insist that someone prove every last one of their assertions to be untrue when several have already been proven so. You're really something.
You claimed they were false though.
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Old 12-19-2012, 05:59 PM   #169
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Amend the constitution making it mandatory that all citizens starting at age 10 shall carry an assault rifle when outside their home. The rifles will be provided by the Federal Government.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:00 PM   #170
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Not too hard when you're willing to just make it up.
Or too blind to see the obvious.

You idiots remind me of Klaus Kinski's character in Doctor Zhivago. All that rah-rah brotherhood-solidarity-comradeship is great until you realize that you're the one locked up in a train headed to the gulag.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:03 PM   #171
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Amend the constitution making it mandatory that all citizens starting at age 10 shall carry an assault rifle when outside their home. The rifles will be provided by the Federal Government.
That is a great idea. We could actually use the guns to trace bad guys.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:08 PM   #172
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We should also eliminate all laws, **** it man, every man, women or and their assault rifle for themselves!
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This would allow us to get rid of government and those pesky taxes.
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Old 12-19-2012, 06:10 PM   #174
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This would allow us to get rid of government and those pesky taxes.
I kinda like this—mostly anyways.


I know you are just being sarcastic though.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:36 PM   #175
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He never said that.
I have seen several sources quote it as being part of a press conference in Piscataway, New Jersey around March 3rd of 1993 concerning the standoff in Waco, Texas. I did find a partial article that stated Clinton felt that "the NRA is wrong" in its stance on Waco (I presume). The press conference was apparently alluded to in USA Today and the Boston Globe but their archives only offer free summaries. You have to pay to get the actual articles, which I assume would include quotes of the press conference.
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Old 12-19-2012, 07:43 PM   #176
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I have seen several sources quote it as being part of a press conference in Piscataway, New Jersey around March 3rd of 1993 concerning the standoff in Waco, Texas. I did find a partial article that stated Clinton felt that "the NRA is wrong" in its stance on Waco (I presume). The press conference was apparently alluded to in USA Today and the Boston Globe but their archives only offer free summaries. You have to pay to get the actual articles, which I assume would include quotes of the press conference.
c'mon, guncite.com says it's bogus. That's enough for me.
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Old 12-20-2012, 09:18 AM   #177
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I wonder why there are never any mass shootings at the gun range... Their are alot of so called assault rifles out there and we all know those people are just itching to shoot people.
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I would say this whole damned premise is stupid as well as being authored and agreed upon by idiots who don't understand the Constitution. But I am sure after 4 pages many of you beat me to this.
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I'd say so.

A rundown of the idea:
  • A ban on firearms -- rifle or pistol -- that can hold more than six bullets.
  • A ban on firearms with detachable magazines.
Aggressive measures, sure. But one that would considerably slow down future rampages.

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Your willingness to surrender our collective rights as Americans to government reinforces my opinion of how spineless and cowardly you are. In my mind you and people like you are victims and always will be. While I would've never been one of those many kids that kicked your ass repeatedly and took your lunch money I would not have lifted a finger to defend you because of your cowardly nature and lack of self respect.
You know absolutely nothing about firearms, or the responsible law abiding people who own them. You don't go hunting with them, they don’t invite you. You don't shoot trap or go to the range with them, they have no use for you. Responsible gun owners don't invite you to their homes or out to dinner or have relations with you in anyway shape or form because a normal person can't relate to you. There's plenty to evidence this on this forum.
As a spineless coward on the government dole surrendering your 2nd amendment rights mean nothing to you, surrender comes as natural to you as breathing. But when you talk about surrendering our collective rights as Americans you’re going to piss some people off. Good thing you’re on a message board and actually this sheds quite a little bit of light as to why you’re on this forum nonstop. You’re a very strange person to say the least.
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