BRC's propsed gun control legislation

[BigRedChief]

I'm a known Obama supporter on here. I also have a long standing belief that gun control legislation usually doesn't work and besides...and this is not a small thing in the discussion..........the constitution is clear, the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed. Thats why even though I don't own guns or hunt that I've been a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. The constitution is clear.

I understand that the constitution is also very clear on free speech but we restrict free speech in some circumstances (libel, yelling fire etc.). Thats the test that I've always used in evaluating any gun control legislation. If we allow and support the real ugly and reprehensible parts of free speech such as the Nazi's marching in a Jewish neighborhood then the Democrats must do the same with allowing gun owners that freedom guaranteed under the Constitution.

The Republicans have to be open to some limitations on gun control along the same lines as the limits we put on free speech.

The compromise:

1. Forbid the mentally ill to own guns of any kind.
2. Forbid those who have been found guilty of violence against fellow citizens from owning guns.
3. Make illegal the purchase and ownership of armor piercing bullets.
4. Make illegal any ammunition clips greater than 10 rounds. (Exception could be in place for gun ranges)
5. Make laws that punish gun owners if their own registered guns are used to commit crimes.
6. Closing the gun show loophole.

#1 and #2 are easy. No one should be against those proposals.
#3 There is no need reason for an individual citizen to own armor piercing bullets.
#4 This is the key. The Ft. Hood, Va. tech, Gabby Giffords shooter were all stopped when their ammo clips ran out and they stop to reload. We can limit the body count if they have to stop to reload a clip even if it takes only 3-5 seconds.
#5 Gun owners should already be securing their firearms so that kids, mentally ill, suicidal people don't have access to their guns. This would have prevented Shady Hook.
#6 You buy a gun at your local shop they perform a background check but buy at a gun show they don't? Thats idiotic. If there is a background check, it applies to gun shows.



What got left off the table:

• Assault weapons ban. It was already in effect for 10 years. It didn't lower crime. It doesn't meet the first amendment Nazi's marching test. The constitution is about the rights to own guns, not how many bullets that gun can fire.
• Mental illness legislation. A different discussion.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by frazod

If they aren't batshit crazy AND if they have been trained in the gun's use and safety techniques. I first fired a gun at age 7. Within a couple of years I regularly carried a rifle and roamed the fields alone and unsupervised. I was around loaded guns all my life growing up. My dad kept a loaded .357 in a holster on a gun belt hanging over the back of his chair in the gun room.

Number of grade-school age friends killed - zero.

But, not everyone is as responsible and you and your parents. Taught and practice gun safety.

You know you are on the extreme end of this conversation when you advocate for open access to guns for elementary children.

[Munson]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

#1
Already defined as per my opinion. Let the Doctors and courts decide. Eventually it will go to the SCOTUS

How many doctors are needed to declare somebody mentally ill? Are they going to be goverment doctors or private sector doctors?

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

4 Please show me where in the Bill of Rights is guarantees you the right to unlimited rounds in a clip of ammunition.

Show me where it doesn't say that.

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

5 Of course not. You discover your guns stolen, report them and you are not held responsible.

What if you don't find out in time? For example, what if somebody is on vacation or at work, and comes home to see that their gun safe was broken in to? Would that gun owner still be punished?

[frazod]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

But, not everyone is as responsible and you and your parents. Taught and practice gun safety.

You know you are on the extreme end of this conversation when you advocate for open access to guns for elementary children.

Well, would you rather that girl in Oklahoma had been raped and murdered?

[kcfanXIII]

i disagree with all forms of gun control. we were meant to be an armed society to protect ourselves from tyrants. how can we do that, or future generations do that, if we can't have the primary tool used by freedom fighters across the world to defeat the most powerful armies in human history? i have committed no crime, and should therefor not be punished because other people's irresponsible actions.

[frazod]

BTW, I should clarify my vote. The option I picked, while no ideal, is at this point the best we can hope for given the current climate, and while I'd be annoyed by some aspects of it, it's livable.

I do feel quite strongly about obvious, known unstable people having easy access to guns. That is a recipe for disaster.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by kcfanXIII

i disagree with all forms of gun control. we were meant to be an armed society to protect ourselves from tyrants. how can we do that, or future generations do that, if we can't have the primary tool used by freedom fighters across the world to defeat the most powerful armies in human history? i have committed no crime, and should therefor not be punished because other people's irresponsible actions.

I have no problem with any of this. It's a valid argument.

[Munson]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

"Rights can be regulated"


Its sad some people request tyranny. How about instead of asking more from the government we ask more from society?

Good point. Its a shame that people are so willing to give up their rights.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Thats not the point. I'm not on board with changing gun laws because of a lunatic did something horrible.

But, its obvious the public wants "something" done. I've seen polls of NRA members that have a majority that want some type of action. This is going to happen. Its just deciding what "is going to happen". But, as far as your original question goes.......

• The law not allowing mentally unstable people to own weapons.
• Punishment for legal law abiding citizens not securing their weapons from access to children and the mentally unstable.

Passing laws for no reason doesn't seem very intelligent to me.

If you want to reduce gun violence you'd have better results by actually punishing someone that uses a gun to commit a crime.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Passing laws for no reason doesn't seem very intelligent to me.

If you want to reduce gun violence you'd have better results by actually punishing someone that uses a gun to commit a crime.

Although many people that commit massacres aren't usually trying to get out a free men or alive.

[mlyonsd]

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan

Although many people that commit massacres aren't usually trying to get out a free men or alive.

Nothing proposed will stop massacres. I thought we already established that.

[AussieChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by mlyonsd

Nothing proposed will stop massacres. I thought we already established that.

Guess so.

[frazod]

Originally Posted by AussieChiefsFan

Guess so.

Luckily only about 70 people out of 313,000,000 have died at their hands so far this year.

[A Salt Weapon]

Originally Posted by frazod

Luckily only about 70 people out of 313,000,000 have died at their hands so far this year.

That number is outrageous! We need to confiscate the god given rights of the rest to ensure our safety.
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[Calcountry]

I would much rather see the media use its awesome influence and power, and voluntary and mutually agree and publish together, a statement that would honor a code that would never give air to names, likenesses, or any other material that would bring infamy or celebrity to these vicious animals. Further, their remains should be cremated and discarded over the ocean.

[patteeu]

4 and 5 are deal breakers for me. I'm not sure about 6.