U.S. Issues BRC's propsed gun control legislation - Page 9

**BigRedChief** · 09:08 AM

I'm a known Obama supporter on here. I also have a long standing belief that gun control legislation usually doesn't work and besides...and this is not a small thing in the discussion..........the constitution is clear, the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed. Thats why even though I don't own guns or hunt that I've been a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. The constitution is clear.

I understand that the constitution is also very clear on free speech but we restrict free speech in some circumstances (libel, yelling fire etc.). Thats the test that I've always used in evaluating any gun control legislation. If we allow and support the real ugly and reprehensible parts of free speech such as the Nazi's marching in a Jewish neighborhood then the Democrats must do the same with allowing gun owners that freedom guaranteed under the Constitution.

The Republicans have to be open to some limitations on gun control along the same lines as the limits we put on free speech.

The compromise:

Forbid the mentally ill to own guns of any kind.
Forbid those who have been found guilty of violence against fellow citizens from owning guns.
Make illegal the purchase and ownership of armor piercing bullets.
Make illegal any ammunition clips greater than 10 rounds. (Exception could be in place for gun ranges)
Make laws that punish gun owners if their own registered guns are used to commit crimes.
Closing the gun show loophole.

#1 and #2 are easy. No one should be against those proposals.
#3 There is no need reason for an individual citizen to own armor piercing bullets.
#4 This is the key. The Ft. Hood, Va. tech, Gabby Giffords shooter were all stopped when their ammo clips ran out and they stop to reload. We can limit the body count if they have to stop to reload a clip even if it takes only 3-5 seconds.
#5 Gun owners should already be securing their firearms so that kids, mentally ill, suicidal people don't have access to their guns. This would have prevented Shady Hook.
#6 You buy a gun at your local shop they perform a background check but buy at a gun show they don't? Thats idiotic. If there is a background check, it applies to gun shows.

What got left off the table:

Assault weapons ban. It was already in effect for 10 years. It didn't lower crime. It doesn't meet the first amendment Nazi's marching test. The constitution is about the rights to own guns, not how many bullets that gun can fire.
Mental illness legislation. A different discussion.

HonestChieffan · 12-23-2012, 10:08 AM

Reactionary laws=good press

Dealing with tough hard decisions and doing what needs to be done=bad press

stonedstooge · 12-23-2012, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Just how would I know why the media reported the shooter had his ID on him at the time of the shooting.

Has his ID become a national issue like the gun he supposedly used?

HonestChieffan · 12-23-2012, 10:16 AM

**BigRedChief** · 12-23-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Polling "useful idiots" and/or the ignorant masses who are easily manipulated and prone to knee jerk reactions in the heat of an emotional upset. Yeah, that's the best way to make law. Sounds like the aftermath of 9/11 which gave us Iraq.

Last I looked we still had rights despite stirring up the rabble. This is why the public at large don't get to make law....particularly the kind that infringes natural rights.

I agree. There is a lot of over reaction occurring. And thats not the correct way to govern.

**RNR** · 12-23-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by HonestChieffan

Reactionary laws=good press

Dealing with tough hard decisions and doing what needs to be done=bad press

Meanwhile if you are trying to buy any of the guns or high capacity "magazines" in question right now everyone is sold out. The manufactures would like to thank the knee jerk lefties for sending the Christmas sales through the roof this year. (Notice I used the term magazine to avoid another scolding

**BigRedChief** · 12-23-2012, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by stonedstooge

Has his ID become a national issue like the gun he supposedly used?

I'm done answering your lame ass questions. Make your point.

Otter · 12-23-2012, 01:51 PM

Where is the "I've swallowed so much government dick I'm no longer a man" option?

**BigRedChief** · 12-23-2012, 02:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

Where is the "I've swallowed so much government dick I'm no longer a man" option?

Was that really necessary?

Otter · 12-23-2012, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Was that really necessary?

About as necessary as your constant propagating of over-regulation and the need to for some insecure reason put your nose into the lives of self sustaining adults.

Where would we be without the government to watch over us BRC? Writing books about the experience and discovering new shit like it used to be?

You and your kind make me sick. Make no mistake about it.

**BigRedChief** · 12-23-2012, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

About as necessary as your constant propagating of over-regulation and the need to for some insecure reason put your nose into the lives of self sustaining adults.

Where would we be without the government to watch over us BRC? Writing books about the experience and discovering new shit like it used to be?

You and your kind make me sick. Make no mistake about it.

Well **** you too.

**frazod** · 12-23-2012, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Well **** you too.

FWIW, I still like you.

But only because you're a Cards fan.

**RNR** · 12-23-2012, 03:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

About as necessary as your constant propagating of over-regulation and the need to for some insecure reason put your nose into the lives of self sustaining adults.

Where would we be without the government to watch over us BRC? Writing books about the experience and discovering new shit like it used to be?

You and your kind make me sick. Make no mistake about it.

A Salt Weapon · 12-23-2012, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Otter

About as necessary as your constant propagating of over-regulation and the need to for some insecure reason put your nose into the lives of self sustaining adults.

Where would we be without the government to watch over us BRC? Writing books about the experience and discovering new shit like it used to be?

You and your kind make me sick. Make no mistake about it.

I like this guy.
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**RNR** · 12-23-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon

I like this guy.
Posted via Mobile Device

As do I~

**BigRedChief** · 12-23-2012, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

FWIW, I still like you.

But only because you're a Cards fan.

well at least there is that.

View Poll Results: Is this an acceptable compromise?
Yes	4	12.50%
No	22	68.75%
Maybe, see my tweak to the proposal	1	3.13%
Take out the restriction on the # of rounds in a clip, then we got a deal	5	15.63%
We need to go further to restrict access to guns	0	0%
Obligatory GAZ option	0	0%
Voters: 32. You may not vote on this poll

12-22-2012, 08:58 AM
BigRedChief Brainwashed Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Swims with fishes Casino cash: $2268021	BRC's propsed gun control legislation I'm a known Obama supporter on here. I also have a long standing belief that gun control legislation usually doesn't work and besides...and this is not a small thing in the discussion..........the constitution is clear, the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed. Thats why even though I don't own guns or hunt that I've been a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. The constitution is clear. I understand that the constitution is also very clear on free speech but we restrict free speech in some circumstances (libel, yelling fire etc.). Thats the test that I've always used in evaluating any gun control legislation. If we allow and support the real ugly and reprehensible parts of free speech such as the Nazi's marching in a Jewish neighborhood then the Democrats must do the same with allowing gun owners that freedom guaranteed under the Constitution. The Republicans have to be open to some limitations on gun control along the same lines as the limits we put on free speech. The compromise: Forbid the mentally ill to own guns of any kind. Forbid those who have been found guilty of violence against fellow citizens from owning guns. Make illegal the purchase and ownership of armor piercing bullets. Make illegal any ammunition clips greater than 10 rounds. (Exception could be in place for gun ranges) Make laws that punish gun owners if their own registered guns are used to commit crimes. Closing the gun show loophole. #1 and #2 are easy. No one should be against those proposals. #3 There is no need reason for an individual citizen to own armor piercing bullets. #4 This is the key. The Ft. Hood, Va. tech, Gabby Giffords shooter were all stopped when their ammo clips ran out and they stop to reload. We can limit the body count if they have to stop to reload a clip even if it takes only 3-5 seconds. #5 Gun owners should already be securing their firearms so that kids, mentally ill, suicidal people don't have access to their guns. This would have prevented Shady Hook. #6 You buy a gun at your local shop they perform a background check but buy at a gun show they don't? Thats idiotic. If there is a background check, it applies to gun shows. What got left off the table: Assault weapons ban. It was already in effect for 10 years. It didn't lower crime. It doesn't meet the first amendment Nazi's marching test. The constitution is about the rights to own guns, not how many bullets that gun can fire. Mental illness legislation. A different discussion. Last edited by BigRedChief; 12-22-2012 at 09:08 AM..
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12-23-2012, 10:16 AM	#123
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