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Old 12-25-2012, 02:23 PM  
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Polian and Dungy to be new GM and HC?

http://kcsportsnation.com/2012/12/br...h-source-says/



Merry Christmas Chiefs fans, from Clark Hunt.

Well, maybe.

According to a good source inside Arrowhead that has seen Bill Polian with Clark Hunt with his “own eyes,” if Polian wants the Chiefs General Manager job, it is his. Polian, the former GM of the Indianapolis Colts, would bring his long-time coach Tony Dungy back to KC as the head coach and his son Chris would be the VP and take over when Bill retires.





The source also indicates that MOST of the current staff has already cleaned out their offices and three assistant coaches have been told not to make the trip to Denver and that Norv Turner will be the offensive coordinator and Dom Capers the new defensive coordinator. Now, for these two, I’m a bit more skeptical. Turner is currently the head coach at San Diego, and although he is expected to be fired, his committal to a lesser job right off the bat is questionable at best. That said, the ship on him being a head coach has sailed. Capers, is the current defensive coordinator for the Packers, a team that will be a Super Bowl contender every year for the foreseeable future, so why would he leave? $$$? Capers’ name is also out there as a potential head coach if Dungy elects to stay retired, which would be a God awful hire. He is 48-80 in eight years as a head coach at Carolina and Houston, where he made the playoffs once, advancing to the NFC Championship game at Carolina in 1996 after winning the NFC West.

The source is a good source, but like anything else, Polian may or may not accept the job, and the same goes for Dungy.

But, if this does come to fruition, wow. Another Festivus Miracle!

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Dungy was a defensive backs coach in KC under Marty Shottenheimer from 1989-91, before moving on to Minnesota to be the defensive coordinator under Dennis Green before turning around the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, then the Colts. Dungy has been out of coaching since 2009.

Polian was the General Manager in Buffalo from 1986-1993, where he took over a team that was coming off back-to-back 2-14 seasons. Polian won the NFL Executive of the Year Award twice in 1988 and in 1991.He was fired following three straight Super Bowl losses. Two seasons later, he was the GM of the Carolina Panthers for four seasons through 2007, where Capers was his head coach. He then moved on to Indianapolis, where he was President and eventually Chris was the GM. Polian was fired by owner Jim Irsay after the Colts finished with a 2–14 record in the 2011-2012 season, where Peyton Manning missed the season with injury, which begs the question, were Dungy and Polian as good as their QB was?

Stay tuned.
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Old 12-26-2012, 06:37 AM   #136
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:22 AM   #137
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the only reason people think Dungy was a good coach is because the media painted it that way

I could coach Peyton Manning and win 12 games every year.

The only reason people think Tony Romo is bad is because the media paints in that way.

The media influences opinion on casual watching football folk. I, for one, like to form my own opinions. Sometimes I am quite wrong. This is why I've always been prone to attack on boards like these because big media and I don't always see the same thing.
Dungy is painted as a good coach because he is a good coach. He may be a bit overrated, but he's not as overrated as people think he is. It's not like he's being compared to bellichick or bill Walsh. He's typically in the same conversation as guys like Andy Reid and that's pretty fair.

Dungy will turn this team into a playoff team. It's just doubtful he will turn them into a super bowl team. Again, he may be overrated by some but he's really overly criticized on cp. I don't understand why the same people who want Andy reid or bill cowher are critical of dungy.
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:25 AM   #138
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:38 AM   #139
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Whatever, Herm could have won a Super Bowl with Manning
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I could have won a Super Bowl with Manning. Maybe 2.
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:39 AM   #140
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This is just stupid. There NFL rules against talking to Capers and Turner, because they are active coaches.

Where do people come up with the crap?
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:40 AM   #141
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I could have won a Super Bowl with Manning. Maybe 2.
That is oversimplifying a job where coaches have completely lost their locker room in a matter of years. Hell, Romeo lost his in less than a year.
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:44 AM   #142
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Sounds like a Chiefs move. Do not want.
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:45 AM   #143
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That is oversimplifying a job where coaches have completely lost their locker room in a matter of years. Hell, Romeo lost his in less than a year.
locker rooms are lost when losses start piling up

when was the last time Peyton Manning lost a lot of games?
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:54 AM   #144
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The Chiefs employ cover 2 & tampa 2 defense throughout the season just like every other NFL team does when playing WCO style offense.

here is cover 2


it is a split safety alignment. When Berry & Lewis are in split cover, they are running cover 2 zone.

here is tampa 2


When the safeties are split and DJ or Siler falls back at the snap, they are tampa 2.

It is run by every team in the NFL. 34 defense teams run it, 43 defense too;




What is the Cover 2 Defense?


The Cover 2 Defense is one of the more talked about defensive strategies in the NFL, and throughout the game of football on every level. It’s great to talk about the Cover 2 Defense, because it is an extremely effective and common defensive formation, but the problem is that most broadcasters don’t take the time needed to really explain what it is. They namedrop “Cover 2 Defense” and then move on without really explaining how it works or why it’s so important. Let’s delve into the popular origin of the Cover 2 Defense – The Tampa 2 Defense – and figure out what the Cover 2 Defense really is.

The terminology of Cover 2 simply comes from the tactic of dividing part of the field into two halves.
Specifically, the deep part of the defense, at roughly 15 yards out from the line of scrimmage is split up into two halves, each representing a zone. So, the Cover 2 Defense is a zone defense that stems from two deep zones, each of which is covered by one of the safeties.

The Cover 2 Defense


This original scheme came from NFL defensive mastermind Bud Carson, the architect of the Steel Curtain defense of several decades ago. In his setup, the defense would play out of a 4-3, meaning four defensive linemen and three linebackers. The four linemen would rush the quarterback and the three linebackers, along with the two cornerbacks, would split the shallow part of the field into five small zones, in front of the two, larger and deeper zones.

This Cover 2 formation had one flaw, you could find a large opening in the deep middle of the field and exploit it for huge gains.
The NFL, in a constant state of evolution, began improving on the original Cover 2. Tony Dungy played for Bud Carson on the Pittsburgh Steelers and learned the Cover 2 Defense. With one Super Bowl ring and the legacy of another Super Bowl team left behind him, clearly Tony Dungy figured something out.

His new configuration became called the Tampa 2 Defense, because he installed it as coach of the Buccaneers. One of the reasons the Tampa 2 Defense was created was to combat the effective, chip-away West Coast Offense. The West Coast Offense consists of short passes, crisp route running, less reliance on the running game and precise timing. Against the original Cover 2 Defense, if a wide receiver would run a slant route 10 yards downfield, he’d have plenty of slashing room for big gains if he could escape the first man assigned to him. (See: Rice, Jerry).

The main alteration to the original Cover 2 is that the middle linebacker’s zone became expanded.
It was no longer one of the small underneath zones, rather it would extend deep into the center of the field, closing up that gap that could be exploited in the Cover 2.

The Tampa 2 Defense


The Tampa 2 is in this way actually more like a Cover 3 than a Cover 2, because the deep part of the field is split into three different ones.

With the middle linebacker anchoring the middle of the field with his all-over playmaking, the cornerbacks in a Cover 2 system will generally try to funnel the receivers in their area towards the center of the field, where more of their defensive partners await. Today’s ultra-athletic linebackers are more able to drop into pass coverage and therefore the Tampa 2 can be pulled off by more teams around the league.

One flaw of the Tampa 2 Defense is the middle-depth sideline areas. This soft spot is between the shallow zones of the cornerbacks and the deep zones of the safeties on each end of the field. A second flaw of the Tampa 2 Defense or original Cover 2 Defense is that it relies entirely on the four defensive linemen for defensive pressure. But no scheme is without its flaws, especially in the NFL where you can exploit anything. With the right defensive personnel, these flaws and openings in the Tampa 2 Defense can be reduced significantly.

That leaves one way to beat the Tampa 2 and Cover 2 defenses: a rumbling, pounding running attack. A strong running game will force the middle linebacker to trend towards the line of scrimmage rather than the deep middle zone of the field. The safeties may have to adjust in the same fashion, edging closer to the line of scrimmage, losing precious time and space when defending a deep passing route. The offense can then capitalize with play action passes. If the defense doesn’t adjust, and your running game is successful, you can ride your backs all the way down the field, a small chunk of yardage at a time.

The Cover 2 Defense, and its descendant, the Tampa 2 Defense, have become the most popular defense used in the NFL. For many teams in the league, the Cover 2/Tampa 2 is the base of their entire defense. For others, they deploy the scheme in certain game situations.
The NFL is a constant coaching battle; back and forth schemes adjust and counter to each other’s strengths and weaknesses. Only time will tell what kinds of new offenses will emerge to combat the Cover 2 and Tampa 2, and in turn, what new defenses will rise up in their place.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:28 AM   #145
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"Tampa 2 is obsolete!"

That's like calling the WCO offense obsolete.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:42 AM   #146
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A few things. First, polians philosophy was to rotate the back 7. So the defense had to deal with constantly changing, second rate personnel. Second, dungy ran the Tampa 2 a few years past it's prime. Keep in mind that, unlike herm, he doesn't strike me as a guy married to Tampa 2. His career started out in Pittsburgh and kc, so he's versed in cowher and Marty defensive schemes. Wouldn't be surprised to see him shift to an entirely different defense.

And it's too soon to say what fox is doing with Peyton. He's played one season against a weak division.

What value did he provide? Again, we have seen so many teams quit on their coach or rebel against a hardass. Dungy pumps out consistently very good teams. For 13 years. Hes a very good coach. I don't know how anyone can discredit him. He's only overrated by people who think he's a blue chip coach. Again... He is Marty, not herm.
Has Tony Dungy had even an NFL-average defense without Monte Kiffin as his DC?
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:45 AM   #147
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"Tampa 2 is obsolete!"

That's like calling the WCO offense obsolete.
It's obsolete if you're a Tampa 2 purist. The base defensive scheme that doesn't blitz and relies on your front 4 to be pure pass rushers is dead. Kiffin evolved his into a more blitz-heavy scheme, but frankly, that defense fizzled a bit too. The question is if Dungy comes in with a pure Tampa 2 or if he just incorporates principles. I don't think his scheme in Pittsburgh or Kansas City was all that bad. Another scheme I've mentioned many times is Gus Bradley's under scheme in Seattle -- another great example of taking a traditional defense and innovating it by incorporating a lot of Tampa 2 principles.
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Has Tony Dungy had even an NFL-average defense without Monte Kiffin as his DC?
Are you serious? He was a DC for Pittsburgh and KC. He's a terrific defensive mind. Polian said out loud that his strategy was to rotate low-paid, late round draft talent to fill in his defensive back 7. It was as much talent in Indy as it was scheme.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:48 AM   #149
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The Chiefs employ cover 2 & tampa 2 defense throughout the season just like every other NFL team does when playing WCO style offense.
The Chiefs DO NOT use the Tampa 2, ever.

The Tampa 2 is a specific cover 2 that uses a 40 front in the base package.

The Chiefs only use a 40 front in the nickel package.

The Chiefs, and every team in the NFL, use the Cover 2 all the time.

The Tampa 2 and Cover 2 are not synonymous.
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Old 12-26-2012, 08:50 AM   #150
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Sounds like a Chiefs move. Do not want.
i'm pretty sure that many people will say this no matter what they do.
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