U.S. Issues Gun control: the disparity between the money and the public. - Page 2

Direckshun · 12-26-2012, 01:35 PM

Where the money is (Brady Center is the nation's leading gun control political spender):

Where the people are:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...apacity-clips/

Most Back Ban on High-Capacity Clips; Many See Societal Issues in Connecticut Shootings
By Gary Langer
Dec 17, 2012 12:00pm

More than half of Americans say the school shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, reflect broader problems in society rather than an isolated act of a troubled person – more than after other recent shooting incidents, suggesting the possibility of a new national dialogue on violent crime.

This ABC News/Washington Post poll also finds that 54 percent of Americans favor stricter gun control laws in general, numerically a five-year high, albeit not significantly different than in recent years. Fifty-nine percent support a ban specifically on high-capacity ammunition clips, a step on which partisan and ideological gaps narrow substantially and “strong” support peaks.

At the same time, sharp divisions among population groups – regionally, between men and women, and politically – mark the difficult nature of the gun debate. And this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, finds that more Americans continue to say that enforcing existing laws is a better way to reduce gun violence than passing new laws, although by the narrowest gap in a decade.

SOCIETAL PROBLEM? – The public by 52-43 percent sees the atrocity in Connecticut as indicating “broader problems in American society” rather than just the isolated act of a troubled individual. Many fewer saw the shootings last July in Aurora, Colorado, or last year in Tucson, Arizona, as signs of a broader societal problem, 24 and 31 percent, respectively, in polls by the Pew Research Center.

Views were more similar to today’s after the shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007, when the public divided, 46-47 percent in a Pew poll, on whether broader societal problems were at play. But the Connecticut shootings mark the first of these incidents that’s been seen by more than half the public as indicating a broader problem.

Notably, political and ideological differences are muted in this assessment: Half or more of Democrats, independents and Republicans alike see a broader societal problem (51, 52 and 57 percent, respectively). It’s also about half both among liberals and conservatives.

This sentiment can matter in views on gun control: People who see the Connecticut attack as a sign of broader societal problems are 11 points more apt to support stricter gun control than are those who see the crime as an isolated act, 59 vs. 48 percent. There are similar gaps in support for specific gun control measures; banning high-capacity clips, for instance, is favored by 65 percent of those who see a societal problem, vs. 52 percent of those who don’t.

GUN CONTROL – Attitudes on gun control in the past have not shifted sharply in response to heinous gun crimes, and that appears to be the case again, at least thus far. As noted, for example, 54 percent favor stricter gun control in general; it’s been 50 to 52 percent in polls since 2008, and was higher in previous years, peaking at 67 percent in 1999 and 2000.

On specific measures, 52 percent favor banning semi-automatic handguns (it’s been 48 and 55 percent in previous polls) and 59 percent support banning high-capacity clips that carry more than 10 bullets (it was a similar 57 percent in early 2011, after the Tucson shootings). Banning the sale of handguns entirely (except for law enforcement) remains broadly unpopular, with 71 percent opposed, numerically a new high in results since 1999.

Intensity is on the side of supporters of stricter gun control in general – 44 percent of Americans are “strongly” in favor, vs. 32 percent strongly opposed, the widest intensity gap since spring 2007. And on banning high-capacity clips, strong supporters outnumber strong opponents by an 18-point margin, 47 percent vs. 29 percent.

At the same time, the highest intensity is in opposition to banning handguns overall – 56 percent “strongly” opposed, vs. 20 percent strong support.

GROUPS – Among groups, women are more apt to support stricter gun control than are men, by a 12-point margin, 59 vs. 47 percent; support for gun control is much higher in the Northeast and West than in the Midwest and South; and it’s far higher among nonwhites, 72 percent, than among whites, 48 percent.

Political and ideological differences, in particular, are stark: Stricter gun control overall is favored by 74 percent of Democrats but just 29 percent of Republicans; it’s 52 percent among independents, more than half for the first time since 2007. Support, similarly, is 72 percent among liberals and 58 percent among moderates, vs. 38 percent among conservatives.

As noted, however, these gaps narrow on the issue of banning high-capacity ammunition clips. Compared with their views on stricter gun control more generally, support for banning such clips jumps by 11 points among independents, by 16 points among Republicans and by 10 points among conservatives.

METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Dec. 14-16, 2012, among a random national sample of 602 adults, including landline and cell-phone-only respondents. Results have a margin of sampling error of 4.5 points, including design effect. The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York, N.Y., with sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York, N.Y.

dmahurin · 12-26-2012, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Speaking of criminal. I just spent 92.10 for two AR mags. If that aint criminal I dnt know what is

Holy shit! I bought a box of 10 30 rounders for 100 bucks less than 6 months ago.

LiveSteam · 12-26-2012, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dmahurin

Holy shit! I bought a box of 10 30 rounders for 100 bucks less than 6 months ago.

Ya its bulls shit. I have no one to blame but myself. I had 5 mags stolen out of my truck a few years back. I should have replaced them right away but didnt.
Meh the two I have in the house will be enough for now.

dmahurin · 12-26-2012, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Ya its bulls shit. I have no one to blame but myself. I had 5 mags stolen out of my truck a few years back. I should have replaced them right away but didnt.
Meh the two I have in the house will be enough for now.

http://www.surplusammo.com/magpul-ge...er-mag211-blk/

They are asking 50 bucks for one. I bought 10 of these exact ones for 10 bucks a piece less than 6 months ago. I should have bought 10 more and sold them right now.

**frazod** · 12-26-2012, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Ya its bulls shit. I have no one to blame but myself. I had 5 mags stolen out of my truck a few years back. I should have replaced them right away but didnt.
Meh the two I have in the house will be enough for now.

I've got a full stock of mags for my rifles, thank God. Picked up a bunch of Magpul mags in addition to the crappy stock mags that came with the AR, and also several Romanian surplus mags for the AK. I'm in pretty good shape, I think.

LiveSteam · 12-26-2012, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

I've got a full stock of mags for my rifles, thank God. Picked up a bunch of Magpul mags in addition to the crappy stock mags that came with the AR, and also several Romanian surplus mags for the AK. I'm in pretty good shape, I think.

Im fine. I will just throw hand fulls of unfired ammo at whomever when the time comes.

**frazod** · 12-26-2012, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Im fine. I will just throw hand fulls of unfired ammo at whomever when the time comes.

Careful, you could put somebody's eye out!

verbaljitsu · 12-26-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Im fine. I will just throw hand fulls of unfired ammo at whomever when the time comes.

Make sure your hands only hold ten rounds.

HonestChieffan · 12-26-2012, 06:06 PM

I actually think Direck is a bright guy but posting such garbage makes me wonder what goes on in his head

LiveSteam · 12-26-2012, 06:07 PM

This hole thread is

Aries Walker · 12-26-2012, 06:58 PM

The hole thread, eh?

**Bwana** · 12-26-2012, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

I've got a full stock of mags for my rifles, thank God. Picked up a bunch of Magpul mags in addition to the crappy stock mags that came with the AR, and also several Romanian surplus mags for the AK. I'm in pretty good shape, I think.

Yeah, I have ten 30 ronders and will have 13 "if" The outfit I ordered from comes through. That should be enough to raise a little hell, at least with that gun.

I have a few more guns with him cap mags.

Munson · 12-26-2012, 07:20 PM

I bought a 10 pack of 30-round mags on Black Friday for less than $100. I wish I would've bought a few more of those 10 packs.

A Salt Weapon · 12-26-2012, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Speaking of criminal. I just spent 92.10 for two AR mags. If that aint criminal I dnt know what is

Holy ****, I'd have made you a way better deal than that.
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LiveSteam · 12-26-2012, 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon

Holy ****, I'd have made you a way better deal than that.
Posted via Mobile Device

Well I only bought two at that price. So I am all ears. I would be happy with 20 rounders to

**frazod** · 12-26-2012, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Well I only bought two at that price. So I am all ears. I would be happy with 20 rounders to

I'd just wait it out. The reputable distributors will replenish their stock eventually. Even if **** Feinswine starts seriously pushing this, we've got some time.

This is like people spending $1,000 on a $200 Wii.

12-26-2012, 01:35 PM
Direckshun Black for Palestine Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $1166840	Gun control: the disparity between the money and the public. Where the money is (Brady Center is the nation's leading gun control political spender): Where the people are: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics...apacity-clips/ Most Back Ban on High-Capacity Clips; Many See Societal Issues in Connecticut Shootings By Gary Langer Dec 17, 2012 12:00pm More than half of Americans say the school shootings in Newtown, Connecticut, reflect broader problems in society rather than an isolated act of a troubled person – more than after other recent shooting incidents, suggesting the possibility of a new national dialogue on violent crime. This ABC News/Washington Post poll also finds that 54 percent of Americans favor stricter gun control laws in general, numerically a five-year high, albeit not significantly different than in recent years. Fifty-nine percent support a ban specifically on high-capacity ammunition clips, a step on which partisan and ideological gaps narrow substantially and “strong” support peaks. At the same time, sharp divisions among population groups – regionally, between men and women, and politically – mark the difficult nature of the gun debate. And this poll, produced for ABC by Langer Research Associates, finds that more Americans continue to say that enforcing existing laws is a better way to reduce gun violence than passing new laws, although by the narrowest gap in a decade. SOCIETAL PROBLEM? – The public by 52-43 percent sees the atrocity in Connecticut as indicating “broader problems in American society” rather than just the isolated act of a troubled individual. Many fewer saw the shootings last July in Aurora, Colorado, or last year in Tucson, Arizona, as signs of a broader societal problem, 24 and 31 percent, respectively, in polls by the Pew Research Center. Views were more similar to today’s after the shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007, when the public divided, 46-47 percent in a Pew poll, on whether broader societal problems were at play. But the Connecticut shootings mark the first of these incidents that’s been seen by more than half the public as indicating a broader problem. Notably, political and ideological differences are muted in this assessment: Half or more of Democrats, independents and Republicans alike see a broader societal problem (51, 52 and 57 percent, respectively). It’s also about half both among liberals and conservatives. This sentiment can matter in views on gun control: People who see the Connecticut attack as a sign of broader societal problems are 11 points more apt to support stricter gun control than are those who see the crime as an isolated act, 59 vs. 48 percent. There are similar gaps in support for specific gun control measures; banning high-capacity clips, for instance, is favored by 65 percent of those who see a societal problem, vs. 52 percent of those who don’t. GUN CONTROL – Attitudes on gun control in the past have not shifted sharply in response to heinous gun crimes, and that appears to be the case again, at least thus far. As noted, for example, 54 percent favor stricter gun control in general; it’s been 50 to 52 percent in polls since 2008, and was higher in previous years, peaking at 67 percent in 1999 and 2000. On specific measures, 52 percent favor banning semi-automatic handguns (it’s been 48 and 55 percent in previous polls) and 59 percent support banning high-capacity clips that carry more than 10 bullets (it was a similar 57 percent in early 2011, after the Tucson shootings). Banning the sale of handguns entirely (except for law enforcement) remains broadly unpopular, with 71 percent opposed, numerically a new high in results since 1999. Intensity is on the side of supporters of stricter gun control in general – 44 percent of Americans are “strongly” in favor, vs. 32 percent strongly opposed, the widest intensity gap since spring 2007. And on banning high-capacity clips, strong supporters outnumber strong opponents by an 18-point margin, 47 percent vs. 29 percent. At the same time, the highest intensity is in opposition to banning handguns overall – 56 percent “strongly” opposed, vs. 20 percent strong support. GROUPS – Among groups, women are more apt to support stricter gun control than are men, by a 12-point margin, 59 vs. 47 percent; support for gun control is much higher in the Northeast and West than in the Midwest and South; and it’s far higher among nonwhites, 72 percent, than among whites, 48 percent. Political and ideological differences, in particular, are stark: Stricter gun control overall is favored by 74 percent of Democrats but just 29 percent of Republicans; it’s 52 percent among independents, more than half for the first time since 2007. Support, similarly, is 72 percent among liberals and 58 percent among moderates, vs. 38 percent among conservatives. As noted, however, these gaps narrow on the issue of banning high-capacity ammunition clips. Compared with their views on stricter gun control more generally, support for banning such clips jumps by 11 points among independents, by 16 points among Republicans and by 10 points among conservatives. METHODOLOGY – This ABC News/Washington Post poll was conducted by telephone Dec. 14-16, 2012, among a random national sample of 602 adults, including landline and cell-phone-only respondents. Results have a margin of sampling error of 4.5 points, including design effect. The survey was produced for ABC News by Langer Research Associates of New York, N.Y., with sampling, data collection and tabulation by Abt-SRBI of New York, N.Y.
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