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Old 12-27-2012, 03:18 PM  
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Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM

• Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire.

If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen.

Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco.

Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year.

On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck.

On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff.

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Old 12-27-2012, 05:41 PM   #76
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A lot of folks like to credit Arians, who is a good OC for sure. But Chuck Pagano orchestrated the Colts' emergence. Pagano drew up the plan for them and was the HC during OTA all the way through pre season.

Arians did a good job executing Pagano's marching orders during the season, but it wasn't his plan.
I wouldn't go that far.

But I've brought up at least 10 times and heard no response... why is it that when the 2009 Chiefs make the playoffs in a Mickey Mouse schedule it's considered a fluke. When Arians does the same thing, the same fans think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Arians is barely beating really crap competition and he's doing it behind a QB who even as a rookie is 10 times better than anyone the Chiefs have had in 10 years. People who believe he's one of the top choices are chasing after shiny objects.
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Old 12-27-2012, 05:42 PM   #77
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I wouldn't go that far.

But I've brought up at least 10 times and heard no response... why is it that when the 2009 Chiefs make the playoffs in a Mickey Mouse schedule it's considered a fluke. When Arians does the same thing, the same fans think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Arians is barely beating really crap competition and he's doing it behind a QB who even as a rookie is 10 times better than anyone the Chiefs have had in 10 years. People who believe he's one of the top choices are chasing after shiny objects.
You're going to look pretty stupid when he gets hired next year.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:03 PM   #78
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besides McCluster because a productive slot receiver as soon as Haley got fired.


we add a decent QB and a speed receiver and he will be even more productive.

DMC was not worth a 2nd round pick(i hated it the moment it happened) but the reality is that todd Haley SUCKED as a head coach.

Pioli's mistakes doesn't absolve Haley from his ... it just adds another mistake to Pioli's list.

OCD about Pioli is just beyond stupid
I NEVER said it absolves Haley AT ALL.

Some people have to see things in black and white. I don't. I prefer to see the truth.

At the end of the day, Pioli hired Haley which means all of it is 100% Pioli's fault.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:05 PM   #79
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How can they keep Pioli? They aren't going to bring in a new HC for a GM with 1 year left under contract. So they extend Pioli after what he's done here?

The timing will never be better. Otherwise you just start a carousel of coaches blaming GMs and GMs blaming coaches.

The only conceivable way Pioli stays is if the rumors are true about him being extended last off season.
To us, it is a no brainer. To Hunt, who knows. Pioli may sell him that they have a ton of talent on the team, and all they really need to do is to get the QB and get a new coaching staff in here with a fresh outlook on things. Also he may try to sell Hunt that they have done a poor job in free agency because the Pro Personnel guy hasn't been doing a great job of identifying talent and they need a new person in that position.

So at the end of the day, if Pioli is able to convince Hunt that the real changes that need to be made are on the personnel staff and on the coaching staff, and that the top offseason priority would be to find that franchise QB and also spend that cap money on key free agents, he might be able to convince Hunt to keep him around.

I highly doubt it happens, and fully expect a cleaning of the house, but at this point, who knows...
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:08 PM   #80
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I wouldn't go that far.

But I've brought up at least 10 times and heard no response... why is it that when the 2009 Chiefs make the playoffs in a Mickey Mouse schedule it's considered a fluke. When Arians does the same thing, the same fans think he's the best thing since sliced bread.

Arians is barely beating really crap competition and he's doing it behind a QB who even as a rookie is 10 times better than anyone the Chiefs have had in 10 years. People who believe he's one of the top choices are chasing after shiny objects.
They also beat GB, Minny, and were more than competitive with Houston.

I am undecided on Arians as there are certainly a variety of factors to be considered.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:09 PM   #81
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besides McCluster because a productive slot receiver as soon as Haley got fired.


we add a decent QB and a speed receiver and he will be even more productive.

DMC was not worth a 2nd round pick(i hated it the moment it happened) but the reality is that todd Haley SUCKED as a head coach.

Pioli's mistakes doesn't absolve Haley from his ... it just adds another mistake to Pioli's list.

OCD about Pioli is just beyond stupid
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:11 PM   #82
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To us, it is a no brainer. To Hunt, who knows.
So many times we're heard/read/said that Hunt "is a businessman, first and foremost."

At this point, we should all hope this is true because it makes zero business sense to retain Suckass Scott. The money Hunt would make by firing him is far greater than what he'd make if Pioli returns.

Ironically, Pioli and Cassel are figuratively tied to each other at the end, too; both are cheaper to cut than to keep.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:11 PM   #83
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To us, it is a no brainer. To Hunt, who knows. Pioli may sell him that they have a ton of talent on the team, and all they really need to do is to get the QB and get a new coaching staff in here with a fresh outlook on things. Also he may try to sell Hunt that they have done a poor job in free agency because the Pro Personnel guy hasn't been doing a great job of identifying talent and they need a new person in that position.

So at the end of the day, if Pioli is able to convince Hunt that the real changes that need to be made are on the personnel staff and on the coaching staff, and that the top offseason priority would be to find that franchise QB and also spend that cap money on key free agents, he might be able to convince Hunt to keep him around.

I highly doubt it happens, and fully expect a cleaning of the house, but at this point, who knows...
Sure, but who's fault is it we need a different HC (third in 5 years)? Who built the scouting department?

Pioli can point fingers at others to blame, but those guys are in place because of Pioli. It might be different if Hunt had to weigh Pioli's successes versus his failures, but there really aren't enough successes to even make a debate of it.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:16 PM   #84
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You're going to look pretty stupid when he gets hired next year.
Why am I going to look stupid? He's going to get hired. Just because he gets hired, doesn't mean he's qualified. I think he'll be the next Ron Rivera. Just another team chasing after a shiny object.
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Why am I going to look stupid? He's going to get hired. Just because he gets hired, doesn't mean he's qualified. I think he'll be the next Ron Rivera. Just another team chasing after a shiny object.
Kind of like Haley.
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Why am I going to look stupid? He's going to get hired. Just because he gets hired, doesn't mean he's qualified. I think he'll be the next Ron Rivera. Just another team chasing after a shiny object.
He's just as qualified to be HC as anyone else.

I wouldn't hate the hire.

He's 60. I'd like someone younger.
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Old 12-27-2012, 06:22 PM   #90
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They also beat GB, Minny, and were more than competitive with Houston.

I am undecided on Arians as there are certainly a variety of factors to be considered.
Yes, they did, but as the season progressed they've basically been scraping by really bad teams. I've said that Arians has done well for the situation. But I don't see how what he did was much different from Singletary reviving his 49ers squad in year 1, from Mangini and Haley taking their teams from zero to hero early in their coaching tenure. An easy schedule makes a lot of coaches look good.

I've pointed out some of Arians' red flags. So when I discredit Arians' 2012 success, it's because I don't believe 2012 showed enough for me to make those red flags go away.
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