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Old 12-23-2012, 02:22 PM  
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:55 PM   #196
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And yet we're fascinated with stem cell research.

13.7 billion years might be 2 days to another life form.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:56 PM   #197
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So once again here we are. You boldly throw up an argument for creationism. One question why don't you defend your personal beliefs? Please lay out the factual reasons why your personal beliefs should be recognized and given special consideration. I mean surely you can provide evidence of how you know there is a God and know his thoughts. Go ahead and list this amazing information proving your beliefs are the beliefs we should all follow...I will wait. Before you try keep in mind many of the greatest theological apologists have ducked this in the arena of discussion. Dinesh D’Souza, Frank Turek, William Lane Craig, Douglas Wilson, Tim Rutten to name a few all have taken the creation route due to their personal beliefs being indefensible less the disclaimer of faith. However it would be unfair for me to not give you the opportunity to state your case providing information unavailable to me, and for that matter the rest of the world~
So here we are once again. I failed to read anything after, "an argument for creationism". I never argue anything especially in public.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:00 PM   #198
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So here we are once again. I failed to read anything after, "an argument for creationism". I never argue anything especially in public.
Or apparently think. Even in private.
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:01 PM   #199
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So here we are once again. I failed to read anything after, "an argument for creationism". I never argue anything especially in public.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:09 PM   #200
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Good for you now go troll another thread. Your mind is closed.
Seriously? You've dismissed me? You mean I don't have to stick around for more Christian slaughtering??? Oh thank you m'LORD!
AND I'm the closed minded one?
I expected intelligence from you. I won't get that wrong again.
Apparently when challenged you act like a child.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:12 PM   #201
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Are you on drugs?
Brock I love ya but compared to the drivel of stevie and closedloop he sounds positively brilliant. I disagree but still.

Answer me this oh great CP apologists:

Do you realize how completely arrogant and foolish the concept of everything in this universe is made for just one little speck of dust? Or better yet, just one of the 8.7 million species on that speck of dust? And after wading through that then consider it is all just for a fraction of that species that believes it. And when originally written mostly for one sex of that species.

How on earth can this possibly be believable to anyone? It sounds like a two year old rationalizing life. Its the most egotistical thing I've ever heard of and that includes Scott Pioli.

We seem to crave privilege, merited not by our work, but by our birth, by the mere fact that, say, we are humans and born on Earth. We might call it the anthropocentric—the “human-centered”—conceit. This conceit is brought close to culmination in the notion that we are created in God’s image: The Creator and Ruler of the entire Universe looks just like me. My, what a coincidence. How convenient and satisfying!
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:13 PM   #202
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Or apparently think. Even in private.
I think it's time to gather your minions, it's time for another lynching - you must be very proud.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:20 PM   #203
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Brock I love ya but compared to the drivel of stevie and closedloop he sounds positively brilliant. I disagree but still.

Answer me this oh great CP apologists:

Do you realize how completely arrogant and foolish the concept of everything in this universe is made for just one little speck of dust? Or better yet, just one of the 8.7 million species on that speck of dust? And after wading through that then consider it is all just for a fraction of that species that believes it. And when originally written mostly for one sex of that species.

How on earth can this possibly be believable to anyone? It sounds like a two year old rationalizing life. Its the most egotistical thing I've ever heard of and that includes Scott Pioli.

We seem to crave privilege, merited not by our work, but by our birth, by the mere fact that, say, we are humans and born on Earth. We might call it the anthropocentric—the “human-centered”—conceit. This conceit is brought close to culmination in the notion that we are created in God’s image: The Creator and Ruler of the entire Universe looks just like me. My, what a coincidence. How convenient and satisfying!
egad! rosie o'donnel looks like GOD???
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:25 PM   #204
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i've mentioned this in the past....it's perspective....looking out, I understand why we could see enormous, but looking in, the biosphere in six days appears plausible.

it's like traveling so fast, that time slows down...like a rim on a car appearing to move slow at 60 mph...

or being in the center of a merry go round, as opposed to the outer edge.....both rotating at the same speed, yet the outer feels faster.
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:27 PM   #205
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Have you gotten a lot funnier lately or are you just growing on me?
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:28 PM   #206
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High Tech is Sorcery and the people who are really powerful are literally telling people to commit crimes using the psychic interspace created by the WWW and Wireless. They are controlling peoples actions like drones . The two things are deeply intertwined. The more man's brain interfaces with machines the creepier it gets. They use brains separate from a human body in a supercomputer and you have The Image of the Beast. The military has been doing this since the 50s
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:29 PM   #207
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I think it's time to gather your minions, it's time for another lynching - you must be very proud.
I have no idea what minions you speak of. For my own part I have only offered discussion. You seem uninterested~
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Old 12-27-2012, 09:39 PM   #208
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I have no idea what minions you speak of. For my own part I have only offered discussion. You seem uninterested~
I think she's speaking biblically. You know burning witches, boiling people in oil. Its something religious people identify with because its almost hard wired into who they are.

She's is definitely related to BEP in some manner. Here's a good retort from one of my favorite people ever. She just keeps trying to point to any gaps of knowledge that exist in science like that somehow strengthens her point. It's totally ludicrous.

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Old 12-27-2012, 09:42 PM   #209
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In classical chemistry there are 3 classifications of energy – Transitional, Chemical and Vibrational. I’m figuring that’s what you are referring to and that’s what threw me.

In physics, energy falls into two sets: Potential (stored or resting) and Kinetic. Potential pertains to any stored energy that can be used for future use. Kinetic is energy used to displace or move an object.

From that, we can say there are several different types that fall into one of the two sets. Some examples are:
Radiant, Sound, Chemical, Thermal, Mechanical, Gravitational, Nuclear, etc.

When you mention dark energy I’m thinking, dark matter and I would ask you, since dark matter does not absorb light nor emits radiation then it would not follow E=mc2, correct? I think I do understand where you’re going with it but let me see. You’re saying that the ‘nothingness’ that some scientists say existed before the Big Bang is actually dark matter? I can follow that but dark matter’s existence hinges upon the gravitational effect on visible matter doesn’t it? And, if there was no visible matter before the Big bang then it doesn't follow although I don't disagree, I think that sounds more reasonable than saying there was real nothingness period.
I’m just trying to follow your thought process.

To address your last few remarks though, a religious book is a religious book as is a science book is a science book they are no different, one from the other, or one to the other. No difference at all. They are words written by humans.

If you truly believe that energy ( in whatever form) has always existed, cannot be created or destroyed, exists in everything and all things then you’ve just described God my friend. The claim’s exactly the same and no more preposterous than your belief that dark matter has eternal existence from which the Big Bang happened. We are actually a lot closer to agreeing and believing the same thing, and that will make you more uncomfortable than me.

For you to purport God’s contortions (and we won’t visit the 13.7 billion years right now. That’s for another time) happened and eventually evolved humans on a speck of nothing is more what you believe than I. Just change “god” to ‘energy” and it is just as mind boggling and outrageous an event. Energy and God, enigmas. Imagine that.

The faith/science you have that a chair will hold you when you sit down is the same faith/science I have in God only mine will never fail and yes, He truly is amazing!
Dark matter's existence doesn't "Hinge" upon the gravitational effect on visible matter. That's simply one method we use to detect it, by the gravitational effect that dark matter has on the visible matter we can see. Despite the fact that we can't see it, we know it's there because we can see how other objects are effected by its mass. And dark matter has a lot of mass. Around 80% of the mass in the universe actually. What we can visibly see only accounts for a little over 20% of the universe's mass. That's because we humans can only see a very very small fraction of the spectrum. So knowing our limitations on what we can "See", we can't even begin to say that existence depends on us being able to see it.

Saying a religious book and a science book are no different is incredibly absurd. I don't even know how to approach that if you really feel that way. Not to mention, you just equated the bible with a 5 week study on toenail fungus. Suffice to say that one is based on direct observation and repeatable experimentation. And the other is based on 2000 year old writings, whose content has been edited repeatedly throughout history by a wide array of different religious institutions. They are both words written by humans. But that silly simplicity is where the comparisons end.

Comparing God to energy is similarly lacking. Unless you are trying to reduce God to a non sentient non omnipotent being. Which could definitely be argued, but I'm fairly certain that wasn't your intent since you also describe God with having sentient attributes. We have countless methods for detecting and defining energy that are repeatable and proven. But there are no methods for doing the same for a Christian God. Again, you're trying to greatly oversimplify to make a point, and that doesn't work.

Energy is not an enigma. Again, we know a great deal about energy, and how it works, and how to detect it and measure it. Which is the opposite of our understanding of a supernatural being of which there has never been any evidence for.

I have faith in the chair I'm sitting on, because I can see the chair. I can apply pressure to the chair, and feel it resist my pressure. I can test the weight capacity of the chair, and determine exactly how much weight it can hold. Then I can get another chair, and experiment again, to add additional validity to my observations. If someone doesn't believe my chair weight observations, I can give them the chair, and let them test it for themselves. And you're trying to tell me that there's no difference between that and your personal belief of a God?
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