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Old 12-28-2012, 01:00 PM  
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An addition to the Pioli resume

I was bored, thought I'd run some numbers - hadn't done any Chiefs-related homework in a while.

Anywho, discussion in another thread got me to thinking about the "talent level" on this team. People seem to be getting back in the habit of blaming specifically the QB and coaching, while claiming that this roster, and those before it are loaded with talent.

For a team that supposedly has talent, all they've done is beat up on the weak sisters of the poor over the last 4 years of the Pioli Nightmare.

23 wins in 4 years.

Those 23 wins came against teams with a collective 152-214 record and a .415 winning percentage. You can thank Green Bay dropping a metric ****ton of passes back in December of 2011 - take them out of the equation, and you're looking at a .375 winning percentage.

1 win in 4 years against a 10-win or better team.

3 wins in 4 years against a 9-win or better team.

20 wins against 8-8 teams or worse - 11 of those wins against teams with 6 wins or less.

So the "Executive of the Decade" was responsible for 5.75 wins per year, and we should consider ourselves lucky we "earned" that many.

In this era of parity in the NFL, a team with this much "talent" would be winning more than 5.75 games per year. Even without a QB. Even without a QB and HC.

Folks say that Mark Sanchez is a POS, and that we have more talent than the Jets. The same Jets that have won 34 games in the last 4 years. 11 more than the Chiefs.

Buffalo has shit for talent, plays in a brutal division, and has 2 fewer wins over the same time period.

Cleveland is hot garbage, and they've won 4 fewer games over the past 4 years. 1 game a year difference.

Jacksonville has 1 fewer win.

Miami has 4 MORE wins.

Oakland has 2 MORE wins.


The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that we have more "talent" than every one of the above teams.

The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that our QB play has been at least as good as the above teams, and in most cases, better.

The overwhelming majority of this board would claim that our coaching has been at least as good as the above teams, and in most cases, better.


The overwhelming majority of this board would be dead wrong on one of those three assessments. One of these things is not like the other.

Folks, it's time to wake up and realize that QB and HC are just part of the problem.

I see a lot of bad teams with bad QB's and bad HC's that have won as much or more than we have.

Sadly, the bottom line is that there isn't nearly as much "talent" on this roster that you think there is - and that we're a lot closer to the Cleveland's, Buffalo's and Jacksonville's of the NFL than you want to admit.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:58 PM   #61
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How many teams have an elite running game, number 1 reciever, 2 high end pass rushers, a number one corner, and an emerging super star safety?

This team beats playoff contending teams Pitt, Balt, Den, and Indy with even mediocre QB play.

The QB play really has been that bad the last 4 years that it just cannot be overcome. This is still a talented, young roster.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:58 PM   #62
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I'd say pretty spot on.

This Denver conversation is just more proof about the mindset of our fanbase.

Denver won 8 games with Tim ****ing Tebow as QB.

While we've been drafting guys like Tyson Jackson, Poe, Arenas, McCluster, Moeaki and signing guys like Breaston and Hillis...

...Denver has been drafting guys like Von Miller, Demaryius Thomas, Erik Decker, Dumervil, Franklin, Beadles and Wolfe and signing guys like Tracy Porter, Dan Koppen, Justin Bannan, Chris Harris, etc.

They've made good moves, while we've made poor moves. It shouldn't be a surprise that they are more talented than we are.

Manning is just icing on the cake.
And they aren't winning shit without Manning.

Bannon? What has he done? He doesn't even have a sack. Jackson has better numbers
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:59 PM   #63
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How many teams have an elite running game, number 1 reciever, 2 high end pass rushers, a number one corner, and an emerging super star safety?

This team beats playoff contending teams Pitt, Balt, Den, and Indy with even mediocre QB play.

The QB play really has been that bad the last 4 years that it just cannot be overcome.
The QB play hasn't been worse than in Cleveland or Jacksonville, yet they have as many wins in 4 years as we do.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:00 PM   #64
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Please continue your donkey show in Knowmo's thread.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:00 PM   #65
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I'm not saying that we are more talented than Denver, but stick Cassel and Quinn on the Broncos instead of Manning and their "core" gets a lot smaller.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:01 PM   #66
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The QB play hasn't been worse than in Cleveland or Jacksonville, yet they have as many wins in 4 years as we do.
No set of QBs have turned the ball over 30 times.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:02 PM   #67
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I'm not saying that we are more talented than Denver, but stick Cassel and Quinn on the Broncos instead of Manning and their "core" gets a lot smaller.
No doubt.

But they'd surely have more than 2 wins.

Again, they won the division AND A PLAYOFF GAME with Tim Tebow at QB.

Tim.

Tebow.

And that's before signing extra pieces like Koppen, Porter, etc.
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No set of QBs have turned the ball over 30 times.
You're cherry picking one year out of 4.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:03 PM   #69
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Please continue your donkey show in Knowmo's thread.
Feel free to bury your head in the sand and expect a QB to solve all our problems in another thread?
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Weeden has played better than Quinn and Cassel.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:09 PM   #73
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This also has to be looked at from the other direction as well. Lets take it away from Denver to GB, NE, NO. Where are those teams with Cassel and the roller coaster of HC and OC staff that has been run through KC in the last 4 years?
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You're cherry picking one year out of 4.
I would imagine that Cassel 27/7 year messes the averages up as well. Not to mention all the garbage stats that he has gotten when we are being blown out.
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While this overall roster may not be as talented as some people think a potential franchise quarterback (who lives up to the #1 overall pick) improves the overall roster drastically.
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