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Old 12-31-2012, 05:46 PM  
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Kirk Ferentz to meet with Chiefs Wednesday - #Chiefs #yahoosportsradio

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Old 01-01-2013, 09:50 AM   #166
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I will say, like Petro said, the GM issue needs to be resolved before a coach is hired, other wise, it will be the only thing brought up at the PC.
Probably be resolved at the same time. HC will be announced with personnel control, and we'll learn that Pioli has been relieved of his duties.

We'll never see or hear him speak as a member of the organization again.
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Old 01-01-2013, 09:52 AM   #167
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Probably be resolved at the same time. HC will be announced with personnel control, and we'll learn that Pioli has been relieved of his duties.

We'll never see or hear him speak as a member of the organization again.
If it goes down this way, Clark is doing it the only way anyone wants to see it done.

Sweep Pioli under the rug never to be heard from again.

Just perfect.
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I will say, like Petro said, the GM issue needs to be resolved before a coach is hired, other wise, it will be the only thing brought up at the PC.
Considering the fact that Clark is doing this, and Pioli has no role in this decision, I don't see it as a problem.

I bet Pioli is out by Feb.

And if Cowher or Reid is hired, I don't give a shit where Pioli is.
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:02 AM   #169
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:03 AM   #170
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Probably be resolved at the same time. HC will be announced with personnel control, and we'll learn that Pioli has been relieved of his duties.

We'll never see or hear him speak as a member of the organization again.
That would be great.
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:05 AM   #171
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I'm so ****ing proud to be a Chiefs fan right now I'm listening to this again. I believed in Clark before, and I believe even more now. I've ranted over him in the past, but I've always thought the guy wanted to be a winner.
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It's actually a brilliant strategy undertaken by Clark.

Assuming Pioli refuses to concede failure and quit, Clark just removes the need for a GM and all authority and responsibility from the position. As a result, he can keep Pioli in a closet doing absolutely nothing for a year, avoid paying out an early termination package, and simply transfer control of football operations to the new coach.

Clark has been thinking about this.

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Old 01-01-2013, 10:09 AM   #173
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If it goes down this way, Clark is doing it the only way anyone wants to see it done.

Sweep Pioli under the rug never to be heard from again.

Just perfect.
There's really no other logical conclusion that one can draw in my view. You can't prohibit the highest-ranking employee to address the media one day and then ever go back to "normal." Once the line is crossed, one can never go back.

This is similar to the Cassel situation. Once he was benched, he was done; once Pioli was silenced, he was essentially fired.
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There's really no other logical conclusion that one can draw in my view. You can't prohibit the highest-ranking employee to address the media one day and then ever go back to "normal." Once the line is crossed, one can never go back.

This is similar to the Cassel situation. Once he was benched, he was done; once Pioli was silenced, he was essentially fired.
This is precisely my feeling on this.
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There's really no other logical conclusion that one can draw in my view. You can't prohibit the highest-ranking employee to address the media one day and then ever go back to "normal." Once the line is crossed, one can never go back.

This is similar to the Cassel situation. Once he was benched, he was done; once Pioli was silenced, he was essentially fired.
My only concern is that he's painting himself into a corner.

By not firing Pioli outright, he creates three possible problems:


1.) Clark is forced to limit his HC search to guys who are capable of having control of personnel decisions.

This is a pretty small list to begin with, and you're already hearing rumblings from guys like Gruden, Cowher and Billick that they aren't interested in coming back. That pretty much leaves Andy Reid and Chip Kelly, who other teams are already fighting over, while we're wasting time with Dirk Koetter and a Rooney Rule candidate.


2.) Hiring a HC and not finding a quality GM.

For sake of conversation, lets say Clark hires Dirk Koetter. Who is the new GM? Guys like Ross, Gamble and Dorsey will either be long gone, or aren't going to be interested in a position in which they have no control over who the HC is. GM's expect to be able to hire a HC.


3.) **** me, but when Reid goes to Arizona or San Diego, and Kelly goes to Cleveland, and there's nothing left that satisfies the first option, and option two comes to fruition and Clark can't find a GM - what happens then?

We all know what happens then.



I know everyone is excited about Clark stepping out on a limb, and I am as well - but he could have stepped out on a thicker limb. I'm not seeing how throwing all your eggs in a Bill Cowher type basket is what is best for the organization.
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My only concern is that he's painting himself into a corner.

By not firing Pioli outright, he creates three possible problems:


1.) Clark is forced to limit his HC search to guys who are capable of having control of personnel decisions.

This is a pretty small list to begin with, and you're already hearing rumblings from guys like Gruden, Cowher and Billick that they aren't interested in coming back. That pretty much leaves Andy Reid and Chip Kelly, who other teams are already fighting over, while we're wasting time with Dirk Koetter and a Rooney Rule candidate.


2.) Hiring a HC and not finding a quality GM.

For sake of conversation, lets say Clark hires Dirk Koetter. Who is the new GM? Guys like Ross, Gamble and Dorsey will either be long gone, or aren't going to be interested in a position in which they have no control over who the HC is. GM's expect to be able to hire a HC.


3.) **** me, but when Reid goes to Arizona or San Diego, and Kelly goes to Cleveland, and there's nothing left that satisfies the first option, and option two comes to fruition and Clark can't find a GM - what happens then?

We all know what happens then.



I know everyone is excited about Clark stepping out on a limb, and I am as well - but he could have stepped out on a thicker limb. I'm not seeing how throwing all your eggs in a Bill Cowher type basket is what is best for the organization.
I think it's option 1, and I don't believe there's much debate about this. Furthermore, I believe that Hunt is very confident about what the outcome will be in KC or he wouldn't make this type of move.

I don't believe for a moment that a true "search" in underway. Clark has been working on this change for some time, and he knows the endgame.

If he doesn't, if he made this bold announcement without near certain knowledge of who the next coach will be, Clark is one recklessly stupid individual.

I don't believe that Hunt is the riverboat gambler type, but we'll see.
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Seems to me the Chiefs have the most attractive position for a HC.

#1 pick. Their choice of QB. Several solid pieces in place on the field already.
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Philly isn't bad. Chicago and SD are pretty ****ing decent depending upon how one views those two QBs.

I'd say KC would be next in line.
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