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A mock draft that will make your heads explode

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National Football PostBy Russ Lande | National Football Post – 4 hours ago



Trying to predict what players will be chosen by specific teams is nearly impossible before the All Star games, Combine and Pro Days, but below is the first mock draft of the new year. As always I try to match hat I am hearing about team's desires with what I believe are the best players available, so take a look and send me your thoughts.

1. Kansas City Chiefs: Manti Te’o, MLB, Notre Dame, Senior: No quarterback warrants being the first overall pick and after Jovan Belcher’s suicide the Chiefs have a strong need for another impact linebacker and Te’o can be that player.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State, Junior: While many may expect the Jaguars to reach for a quarterback to replace Blaine Gabbert, we believe that Tim Tebow will be that player. So the new general manager can focus on improving the Jaguars pass rush, which has struggled with consistency in recent seasons.

3. Oakland Raiders: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M, Junior: With many needs the Raiders make the decision to draft Joeckel who is viewed as potentially one of the safer choices in the Draft. Joeckel could either upgrade the Raiders at left tackle and push Veldheer to the right side or could take over at right tackle while Veldheer stays on the left; either way the Raiders offensive line improves greatly.

4. Philadelphia Eagles: Jake Matthews, OT, Texas A&M, Junior: Without Jason Peters playing left tackle in 2012 the Eagles’ offensive line struggled all season. So drafting Matthews gives them insurance in case Peters struggles to return from injury and could be a big upgrade at right tackle if Peters is healthy and back at left tackle for the 2013 season.

5. Detroit Lions: Kenny Vaccaro, SAF, Texas, Senior: Louis Delmas is starting to get the “injury prone” label and the Lions do not have a top level safety to play next to him. While some may view Vaccaro as a reach, we believe he would be an immediate starter for the Lions and would upgrade their pass defense.

6. Cleveland Browns: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama, Senior: The Browns have a ton of young offensive talent at the skill positions, but for them to blossom their offensive line needs to improve. Warmack would upgrade their interior offensive line play and improve their rushing attack immediately.

7. Arizona Cardinals: Mike Glennon, QB, N.C. State, Senior: Whomever the new head coach in Arizona ends up being, he likely will not want to count on Kolb, Skelton or Lindley for the future . So they draft the strong armed Glennon who reminds us a tremendous amount of Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan.

8. Buffalo Bills: Taylor Lewan, OT, Michigan, Junior: With OG Andy Levitre an unrestricted free agent and no established right tackle on the roster; the Bills grab Lewan who could start at right tackle from day one.

9. New York Jets: Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia, Junior: While the Jets are likely to draft a quarterback to challenge Sanchez, they do not want to reach for one here. So they jump at the chance to add the explosive Jones who should upgrade their outside pass rush immediately.

10. Tennessee Titans: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama, Junior: The Titans have a number of holes, but the chance to add a strong and physical cornerback with pro bowl potential makes too much sense for them to pass up.

11. San Diego Chargers: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan, Senior: A better prospect coming out of school than Joe Staley, Fisher could take over at left tackle and help keep Philip Rivers upright for the rest of his career.

12. Miami Dolphins: Keenan Allen, WR, California, Junior: Quarterback Ryan Tannehill showed flashes that he can be the long term answer for the Dolphins, but he needs weapons. Allen is a big play receiver who can “take the top off the defense” to open everything up for their offense.

13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Oday Aboushi, OT, Virginia, Senior: The Buccaneers right side of their offensive line struggled with consistency in 2012, which leads to their choice of Aboushi who is strong, physical and consistent. He should challenge to start at either right tackle or right guard as a rookie.

14. Carolina Panthers: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah, Senior: Carolina has two quality defensive ends in Charles Johnson and Greg Hardy, but its interior defensive line continued to struggle in 2012. Lotulelei would be an impact player in the middle of its defensive line from day one, which would upgrade the Panthers’ defense.

15. New Orleans Saints: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri, Junior: Sedric Ellis is an unrestricted free agent and the Saints need to upgrade their defense. Richardson would give them an explosive, penetrating defensive tackle that would regularly make impact plays behind the LOS.

16. St. Louis Rams: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina, Senior: Quarterback Sam Bradford was constantly under pressure in 2012 and Cooper is an athletic and powerful lineman with the talent to start at guard or center for the Rams.

17. Pittsburgh Steelers: Dion Jordan, OLB, Oregon, Senior: James Harrison was not the impact pass rusher in 2012 that he was earlier in his career and Lamarr Woodley struggled with injuries throughout 2012, so they add Jordan. Jordan could backup both in 2013 while adding explosiveness and speed to the Steelers pass rush.

18. Dallas Cowboys: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State, Junior: Neither Jason Hatcher or Marcus Spears has become an elite defensive lineman and Hankins would add size and strength to the defensive end position in the Cowboys 34 scheme.

19. New York Giants: Ezekial Ansah, DE, BYU, Senior: Osi Umenyiora ‘s contract is up so he will likely not be back and Justin Tuck has recorded two straight up and down seasons. Ansah is raw, but similar to Jason Pierre Paul in terms of athleticism, competitiveness and potential.

20. Chicago Bears: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma, Senior: To say the Bears offensive line has been a major weakness in recent seasons would be an under-statement. Johnson has only played offensive tackle for two seasons and with his height, long arms and athleticism his upside is outstanding.

21 P. Cincinnati Bengals: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee, Junior: The Bengals hit big time on their selection of AJ Green and like the potential of Marvin jones, but the chance to grab Patterson, who reminds us a lot of Falcons’ receiver Roddy White, makes too much sense as he would be a great weapon opposite Green.

22 P. St. Louis Rams (From Washington): Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia, Senior: After upgrading their offensive line with their first first round pick, the Rams get the most explosive offensive weapon in the Draft for Bradford to throw to.

23 P. Baltimore Ravens: Alex Ogletree, LB, Georgia, Junior: With Ray Lewis coming off a major injury and entering his 18th season in 2013, the Ravens jump at chance to grab Ogletree who is the most explosive inside linebacker in the Draft.

24 P. Minnesota Vikings: Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama, Senior: Longtime stud defensive tackle Kevin Williams is 32, so the Vikings grab Williams who can be their third defensive tackle in 2013 and take over as starter when Williams is done.

25 P. Indianapolis Colts: Johnthan Banks, CB, Mississippi State, Senior: Ryan Grigson pulled off a great trade getting cornerback Vontae Davis and now he drafts Banks to shore up the other cornerback position.

26 P. Seattle Seahawks: Barrett Jones, C / OG, Alabama, Senior: Jones is not a top athlete, but he is a smart, aggressive and versatile lineman who could start at center, guard or even tackle for Seahawks in the future.

27 P. Green Bay Packers: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame, Senior: Current tight end Jermichael Finley is not expected to return to team in 2013, so the Packers upgrade the position by drafting Eifert whose combination of size, athleticism and hands are tough to find.

28 P. San Francisco 49ers: Margus Hunt, DE, SMU, Senior: Since defensive end Justin Smith was injured, the 49ers defense has struggled greatly, so they need to find a young defensive lineman to groom as his replacement. Hunt is an incredible athlete with great length, explosiveness and strength who could turn into a star in a season or two.

29 P. Houston Texans: Eric Reid, SAF, LSU, Junior: The Texans have been expected to draft a receiver in the first round to play opposite Andre Johnson every year and never have, so I believe they will continue that trend and focus on a different position. Reid is an active safety with the toughness to be a force against the run and the range and coverage skills to help the Texans deep coverage.

30 P. New England Patriots: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M, Junior: The Patriots pass rush still struggles to get consistent pressure, so they take a gamble on Moore who has the talent to become a dominating outside linebacker in their system and bring positional versatility to their defense, which Belichick gives enormous weight to.

31 P. Atlanta Falcons: Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU, Junior: John Abraham is not getting any younger, so the Falcons draft Montgomery to backup Abraham and Biermann in 2013 and take over for Abraham when he retires.

32 P. Denver Broncos: David Amerson, CB, N.C. State, Junior: Champ Bailey is nearing the end of a Hall of Fame Career, so Coach Fox adds Amerson who has the combination of size, strength, willingness to play physical and coverage skills to be a solid all-around cornerback.
No Geno in the first round. Not very realistic AT ALL, but....if you could get Geno in the second round--and it was guarenteed--who would you pick #1?
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:20 PM   #91
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I'm not "trying" to say anything here. I've said it. There is no consensus best QB, but there is a consensus best ILB, and if no QB manages to separate himself from the pack, or improve his actual "prominence" as analysts see it, I'm not OPPOSED to drafting a guy like Te'o, and then going and getting Wilson or Bray in the 2nd round. No mistake about it, in the first 40 selections of this draft (adjusting for a possible trade here), we will have a QB there is no doubt about it. It is more about who and when we draft them.
The fact that you "aren't opposed" to drafting T'eo #1 is why you are a dumbass.
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How often do "locks like Luck" come around? Once every decade or so. Your and idiot.

Let me break this down for you:
2012 Superbowl:
NE - QB - Tom Brady; ILB - Brandon Spikes/Jerod Mayo
NYG - QB - Eli Manning; ILB - Chase Blackburn

2011 Superbowl
PIT - QB - Ben Roethlisberger; ILB - James Farrior/Lawrence Timmons
GB - QB - Aaron Rodgers; ILB - Desmond Bishop/AJ Hawk

2010 Superbowl
NO - QB - Drew Brees; ILB - Jonathan Vilma
IND - QB - Peyton Manning; ILB - Gary Brackett

2009 Superbowl
PIT - QB - Ben Roethlisberger; ILB - Larry Foote, James Farrior
ARI - QB - Kurt Warner; ILB - Gerald Hayes

2008
NE - QB - Tom Brady; ILB - Tedy Bruschi/Junior Seau
NYG - QB - Eli Manning; ILB - Antonio Pierce




I wonder which correlates more to success?
Great post. Stats to support what I was saying. You can basically do that with every position. The QB is the constant.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:26 PM   #93
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Yes. But the gap for anything after QB is big. Drafting a LB before QB or CB is a complete joke.
For us? I agree. QB is the largest, most glaring need for us. That doesn't automatically make our first pick a QB. If you have a guy that you KNOW will fit your system, a guy you KNOW is YOUR GUY, and you can get him in the 2nd, why not fill another hole with another guy? I'd be all over it if that happens to be the case.

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It's fascinating to me that people get paid to write and haven't realized that with the new rookie pay scale a QB is going to go #1 overall 9.5 times out of 10...and that other 0.5 times is for when an Adrian Peterson or Calvin Johnson is in the draft (which isn't available this year).

Yes, the rookie pay scale is even friendlier to RB's since you don't have to give a McFadden $40M anymore...you can get a guy at #5 and pay $16M or something totally reasonable

BUT YES...$25M is A LOT for an ILB...it is Kyle Orton for QB's. A QB is going #1 in this draft no matter what.

anyone mocking anything else is an idiot...
Despite your theory behind payscales being true, you are under the impression that because you don't have to pay them, somehow automatically makes them the #1 pick.

With that analogy, the top 10 QB's of this draft should be taken unanimously as the top 10 picks.

That is not how the draft works. You draft for what you need, what you could use, and you certainly draft guys out there that have a few question marks, but are known to be solid football players (BPA in later rounds).

Just because we need a QB doesn't dictate us using it as our #1 pick, just yet. Like I said, if Albert is gone, LT is a lock for our #1 pick.

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Yeah I do blame you. I blame you for first starting the argument by saying you would be fine taking Teo and now trying to say its about what you think is going to happen, not what you want to happen. You said you are cool taking Teo if thats what KC thinks is best and I fully blame you for that.

As for what Stanzi did, are you kidding me? What does the handling of the QB position by Crennel and Pioli have to do with what the next group will do. Especially when Clark made mention of the QB position.

The ILB position is not nearly as big a hole as the QB and CB position. Hell, even if Albert and Bowe are kept, DL and Safety may be more important. You can fill ILB later in the draft. Happens all the time.

I am so sick and tired of the "lock" QB. Are you seriously going to wait for th next Luck to come around. Grow some balls and take a ****ing chance. This isn't the nuclear bomb. Failing with a QB doesn't **** you for 5 years anymore. Look at what we have done being afraid of taking a QB. How is not fixing the QB position less risky? Alex Smith, Glennon ect. Those aren't bigger risks? Sorry, I do blame you and everybody that thinks the way you do.
Having read this response, I can tell that your emotion is in this. You want a QB or no draft at all. You don't care if our roster is full of undrafted free agents out of northern canada, as long as we spend our first pick on a QB.

The point I brought up with Stanzi and the then current FO/Staff, was that we got a guy our HC liked and wanted to start the year before, a guy who came from Pioli's #1 scouted college, and after 2 years, he hasn't started a game. He's the best QB on the roster if you compare College to College, but we won't even give him a snap. In the last game of the season, in a season where all hope is lost because we lack a QB, you don't think, hey, maybe we should give our #3 guy a chance to play and take a shot at him actually being like the next Tom Brady, someone he was compared to in the draft. You can't fool yourself thinking Crennel and Pioli were the only ones to have input on that decision.

As for the rest, I never said I was wanting to wait for the next "luck". I've already stated I want to get a QB in this draft, and early. I've been a big fan of drafting a QB in the last 5 drafts here because there are guys I legitimately want this team to draft because I think they'll fit well, and we don't always end up with them, but hey, I'm not the GM or Coach, I have no input here.

What I did say, and I stick by it, is that I'll gladly spend that #1 draft pick on ANYONE, be it Te'o, Smith, or even an LT if we lose Albert, as long as we aren't making a huge "WTF?" mistake. As in, if Geno blows the combine up and ends up being the real deal in terms of metrics and elevates himself from the field of players, I'm all for it. I'll be pissed if he doesn't get picked. But if all of the QB class decides to shit the bed in the combine and pro days, and a guy like Te'o blows up, I'm going to be pissed that we would pick Geno, and not Te'O, because the selection will feel forced, dirty, as if our only reasoning to draft him, was because we haven't taken a chance on a QB in however long.

That, right there, is the mentality I hate. The Mentality you are working from. Jacksonville did the same thing, do you think they liked their Gabbert selection? Gabbert was a much worse QB in college than Stanzi, and we've yet to play the kid. But, as the kids would put it, Jacksonville was "thirsty" for a QB, and they took a shot. Now look at their team, #2 draft pick this year.

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let's trade our #1 pick to Jason Whitlock for Jeff George
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Same.

Go watch a bunch of Geno tape, I think you can be converted.
I have, and I'm impressed, but having watched Pat White play a similar game in college, ending up a late round pick, and then going to play baseball, I'm a little skeptic on West Virginia/Virginia Tech QB's transitioning to the pros. I want to see Senior Bowl tape, Combine data, Pro Day workouts, before I jump on that bandwagon.
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Yea, let's compare Geno Smith to a 6'0" 190 run-first QB in pat white who didn't even run the same system. ****ing idiots.
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I'd rather take a punter #1 overall than an ILB.

Wasting a #1 on a OT, DL, ILB...****ing STUPID.

Take a QB, take a WR, take a RB, take a stud ****ing rush backer...NOTHING else is worth it...and if Matty Quinsell is your god damn QB you take the best GD QB in the draft and pat yourself on the back.
You can't say wasting a #1 on an ILB is stupid, after saying you'd rather take a punter, you just cannot do that.

Taking a QB just because it is your weakest position on your team, with your first pick, does not guarantee that you drafted right. I'm all for drafting right. Again, if we lose Albert, its going to be LT, then QB, then CB in this draft. If we don't, then it'll likely be QB, then CB, then ILB. However, again, if Te'o separates himself so much that he is just the golden ****ing child of the sport, and no QB separates themselves, I'm taking Te'o with my first, and whoever fits our style in the 2nd. No questions asked. That right there, is smart drafting.

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We don't even know if we're going to be a 4-3 or 3-4 team next year yet.
Seriously? Have you seen the roster? Is this a joke? You're joking right?

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does Teo run a 4.2 40? Can he rep 225 60 times? Does he have a 60" vertical and what will his Wonderlic be? 48?

If he's all those things...then I think I'd probably

draft Geno
If he does all that and Geno and Barkley, and Bray and whoever else post 20's on the lic and look like Croyle in drills, I'm taking Te'O all day.

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The only way I'm fine with not using #1 on a QB is if there is a trade partner that keeps us in the top 10 and gives us another 2nd. Then we still get one of the top
3 QBs in all likely hood, could trade our 3rd for a Flynn or Cousins type guy and use the two seconds on CB, WR, or LB combo.

Of course, that would require a trade partner and I
Don't see
It happening for the talent that's up
In the top
This year
I'm completely okay with trading and staying in or near the top 10 and acquiring an additional 2nd. In fact, that is probably the safest thing we can do, and I love safe, especially when there isn't a QB that separates himself. If Geno does, however, I'm taking Geno in a new york minute.

A point about Cousins though, we haven't seen Stanzi play yet, but in College Stanzi ****ing clowned on Cousins all day every day, I wouldn't trade for Cousins at all because of the cost you'd incur from that ransom lol.

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Some people got so worried about filling other holes. Look at SB winners. Most actually had some pretty big holes in places EXCEPT one. That includes the secondary, LB position, ect ect. Only one of those positions has not been a weak one.
Really? Is that why Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer have superbowl rings in the last 15 years? lol
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How often do "locks like Luck" come around? Once every decade or so. Your and idiot.

Let me break this down for you:
2012 Superbowl:
NE - QB - Tom Brady; ILB - Brandon Spikes/Jerod Mayo
NYG - QB - Eli Manning; ILB - Chase Blackburn

2011 Superbowl
PIT - QB - Ben Roethlisberger; ILB - James Farrior/Lawrence Timmons
GB - QB - Aaron Rodgers; ILB - Desmond Bishop/AJ Hawk

2010 Superbowl
NO - QB - Drew Brees; ILB - Jonathan Vilma
IND - QB - Peyton Manning; ILB - Gary Brackett

2009 Superbowl
PIT - QB - Ben Roethlisberger; ILB - Larry Foote, James Farrior
ARI - QB - Kurt Warner; ILB - Gerald Hayes

2008
NE - QB - Tom Brady; ILB - Tedy Bruschi/Junior Seau
NYG - QB - Eli Manning; ILB - Antonio Pierce




I wonder which correlates more to success?
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The fact that you "aren't opposed" to drafting T'eo #1 is why you are a dumbass.

I think you meant "You're" an idiot. I'm actually quite intelligent, thanks sweetheart. I realize that you are really mad and cannot understand the concept of rationalizing logic here, at least to the extent of my standpoint and trying to analyze every possible outcome here to make the RIGHT pick, not the Safe pick, but it is getting annoying listening to you call me an idiot when you cannot even grammatically form a sentence without major errors.


That being said, you and I seem to be at an impasse, even before we get down to who or what we should draft.

You seem to be under this idea that Luck is already better than everyone else in the league.

Let me paint you a better picture, one easily digested.

Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. Those are the three best QBs to ever play the position. They are all under contract coming off of good or great seasons, and will play next year.

You're going to tell me that in the last 30 years there hasn't been a lock like Luck, who at the current state, is barely a top 20 QB in his rookie year, when a guy like Peyton Manning just came off of a Neck injury and is a top 5 QB at his age?

You are going to say he wasn't a lock? Peyton Manning is the most cerebral QB to ever play this game, and only Tom Brady jumps ahead of him as the "best" in the argument.

I'm the idiot, and you're saying there hasn't been a "luck lock" since Elway.......with Peyton Manning...........Peyton Manning in the picture. Peyton Manning we could have signed last year had we not had Pioli.

And you call me the idiot when you forgot about Peyton Manning.

Let that sink in.
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Yea, whatever noob. I can't fix stupid - and learn the lexicon.
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Yea, let's compare Geno Smith to a 6'0" 190 run-first QB in pat white who didn't even run the same system. ****ing idiots.
I was giving means to my skepticism, sorry for not swallowing Geno's balls as I try to evaluate a guy without bias. Jesus Christ you people are mad if anyone even SUGGESTS not taking Geno with the first pick of the draft.

I bet you want us to select him with your 2nd pick as well, just so people know how badly we need a QB.

****ing ignorant bandwagoneers.
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I think you meant "You're" an idiot.
Care to explain the difference between you are and you're? ****ing moron.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:50 PM   #101
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Care to explain the difference between you are and you're? ****ing moron.
The way he said it, implied that I was in possession of an idiot. The way he meant to say it, was that I AM an idiot. There's a difference and "your" is possessive, which was improperly used.

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Old 01-01-2013, 08:53 PM   #102
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So you quoted me and were talking to someone else... intelligence.
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:57 PM   #103
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Old 01-01-2013, 08:58 PM   #104
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So you quoted me and were talking to someone else... intelligence.
With so many arguments from so many angles, do you blame me for making a mistake?

Oh noes, I'm human. Sorry to let you down.
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