U.S. Issues Anti-Gun Newspaper Outs Law-Abiding Gun Owners - Page 8

**frazod** · 12-26-2012, 06:21 PM

If this is buried somewhere, I didn't see it. Don't really give a shit if it's a repost, either.

http://www.lohud.com/usatoday/article/1791507

N.Y. newspaper's gun-owner database draws criticism

WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Thousands of people have taken to their computers and phones in rage after The Journal News posted an online database of local gun-permit holders.

The database, legally obtained from the County Clerks' Offices through a Freedom of Information Act request made after the shootings in Sandy Hook, Conn., that left 20 children and eight adults dead, has been called irresponsible, dangerous and leaning toward intimidation by online pundits.

Social media played a big part in the exponential spread of the story, whose map has been recommended more than 20,000 times. Two Facebo

Numerous additional comments relating to the gun-permit map have appeared on posts in other unrelated articles. More than a dozen more people sent private messages via Facebook objecting to the map. The overwhelming majority of comments strongly object to the article.ok posts linking to the article on Sunday garnered 346 comments as of Tuesday evening. That's in addition to 167 comments posted directly to Facebook.com/LoHud since the article was published.

The database also was mentioned in the Drudge Report, Memorandum.com, Breitbart.com, Thegatewaypundit.com, Instapundit, iOwnTheWorld.com and UrbanGrounds, along with Yahoo, ABC News and Fox News, among others.

More than 500 comments -- on both sides of the debate -- accompanied an article on CNN.com Tuesday.

The Journal News is owned by Gannett Co. Inc., which is also the parent company of USA TODAY.

Hundreds of callers have complained, claiming publication of the database put their safety at risk or violated their privacy. Others claimed publication was illegal. Many of the callers were vitriolic and some threatened members of the newspaper staff.

"New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information," said Janet Hasson, president and publisher of The Journal News Media Group.

Robert Freeman, executive director of the state Committee on Open Government and an expert in the state's Freedom of Information law, has said all government records and data are presumed public unless a specific statute bars their release. Names and addresses are specifically deemed public records, he said.

This is not the first time The Journal News has been criticized for publishing information about gun permits. A similar article in 2006 received similar responses, although social media did not play as large a part in the spread of the article or of the complaints.

"We knew publication of the database would be controversial, but we felt sharing as much information as we could about gun ownership in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shootings," said CynDee Royle, editor and vice president/news.

"People are concerned about who owns guns and how many of them there are in their neighborhoods," she said. "Our Freedom of Information request also sought specifics on how many and what types of weapons people owned. That portion of the request was denied."

Scott F. Williams, 41, of Haddon Heights, N.J., who served in the Marines as a rifleman, was one of the very few callers who agreed to identify themselves and comment on why they called.

"This is what I see," he said. "It's all in the context of the shootings in Newtown ... it gets us all talking about gun control. That people are at a heightened concern makes sense to me. I am a gun owner and a pro-Second-Amendment (person). I try to be rational." He called the newspaper's decision to link to the database "highly Orwellian."

"The implications are mind-boggling," he said. "It's as if gun owners are sex offenders (and) to own a handgun risks exposure as if one is a sex offender. It's, in my mind, crazy."

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Welcome to the Peoples Republik of New York, kids. Frankly, I don't know what's worse - the fact that this ****ing liberal rag actually did this, or the fact that some dumbass government official felt it was appropriate to release the information. Outing law abiding citizens guilty of nothing but exercising their constitutional rights - what a disgusting, despicable, dangerous abuse of power and betrayal of the public trust. Sane people don't advertise to their neighbors that they own guns - they don't flash them in the window, they don't have GUNS HERE INQUIRE WITHIN signs in their yards. Just like conceal carry, anonymity is important here. Now any punk who clicks on this site will know where they can go steal a gun. It essentially rings the dinner bell for them - just find a remote house on this list, and if nobody's home, break in and start looking. I guess if these gun owners didn't have alarm systems before, they'd better get one now. And so much for leaving your pistol in the nightstand - now you'll need an expensive safe. Thank God most thieving scumbags who'd steal guns don't read the news (or anything else), but surely somebody's going to take advantage of this, and when it happens, I sure as hell hope these ****ing vermin are held accountable for their irresponsible actions.

If my name and address was on this list..... well, my reaction sure as **** wouldn't be a sternly-worded e-mail.

But of course, these vile twats will hide behind the First Amendment. Gotta love people shitting on Constitution and then hiding behind it when the outrage hits.

And that idiot Direckshun had the balls to complain about the money the NRA raises, when the opposition has the ability to pull crap like this.

**frazod** · 01-02-2013, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Who did as they said not to do?

From this point forward, I'm just not going to bother responding to libtard questions that are so completely ****ing stupid that a retarded, lobotomized chimp would think "Holy shit, that's really ****ing stupid."

Starting with this one.

cosmo20002 · 01-02-2013, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

From this point forward, I'm just not going to bother responding to libtard questions that are so completely ****ing stupid that a retarded, lobotomized chimp would think "Holy shit, that's really ****ing stupid."

Starting with this one.

I really shoudn't have asked--because I knew you wouldn't answer. For some reason you think that owning a gun (or having security guards that have guns) makes someone a hypocrite if that person also favors any type of gun regulation. That is stupid, and I think a retarded lobotomized chimp can see that.

**Bwana** · 01-02-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Newspaper That Printed Gun Owner Names Hires Armed Guards

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headline...-armed-guards/

That's rich! Useless media douche bags.

**frazod** · 01-02-2013, 03:27 PM

**RNR** · 01-02-2013, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Who did as they said not to do?

Well I will respond. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. They decided to make a chickenshit play to sell papers. There was no value in releasing this personal information less selling their paper. The possible harm to those listed as gun owners and also those who do not was reckless. They could have accomplished the very same objective by printing the number of gun permits in the area. You knew that already though didn't you. I for one hope this bullshit causes them no injury but would be very pleased if it causes them much discomfort~

cosmo20002 · 01-02-2013, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

You forgot Liberal Douche Rule No. 1 - do as I say, not as I do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Who did as they said not to do?

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

Nothing?

aturnis · 01-02-2013, 03:35 PM

Well, shouldn't they be happy? Doesn't that mean thieves will be sure to avoid robbing their houses?

cosmo20002 · 01-02-2013, 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

Well I will respond. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. They decided to make a chickenshit play to sell papers. There was no value in releasing this personal information less selling their paper. The possible harm to those listed as gun owners and also those who do not was reckless. They could have accomplished the very same objective by printing the number of gun permits in the area. You knew that already though didn't you. I for one hope this bullshit causes them no injury but would be very pleased if it causes them much discomfort~

I still don't see the "do as I say and not as I do" part.

**frazod** · 01-02-2013, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

I still don't see the "do as I say and not as I do" part.

**RNR** · 01-02-2013, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

I still don't see the "do as I say and not as I do" part.

I look at it simple and you completely understand. Don't take a swing unless you are willing to accept the repercussions of that action. The cock suckers threw a sucker punch and got hit back plain and simple. You defending this chickenshit move to sell papers shows how blindly one sided you are~

cosmo20002 · 01-02-2013, 04:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

You're too stupid to answer, so you neg rep me--what a ****ing pussy. Sorry I caught you being a moron. If people would tell you more often what a dumbass you sound like maybe you wouldn't be so butthurt when someone calls you out on it.

cosmo20002 · 01-02-2013, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedNeckRaider

I look at it simple and you completely understand. Don't take a swing unless you are willing to accept the repercussions of that action. The cock suckers threw a sucker punch and got hit back plain and simple. You defending this chickenshit move to sell papers shows how blindly one sided you are~

Ok, they got hit back. They probably got some violent and threatening responses and they beefed up security. Spazod then goes off on the hypocrite/do as I say not as I do thing when it just doesn't exist.

And this has been mentioned several times on this thread--people being for some or any gun REGULATION (NOT A ****ING BAN ON ALL GUNS) get labelled hypocrites if they own or have anything to do with guns. Surely you know the difference between regulating certain guns/ammo and banning ALL GUNS. I'm not sure spazod does, but I'm sure you do.

listopencil · 01-02-2013, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Ok, they got hit back. They probably got some violent and threatening responses and they beefed up security. Spazod then goes off on the hypocrite/do as I say not as I do thing when it just doesn't exist.

And this has been mentioned several times on this thread--people being for some or any gun REGULATION (NOT A ****ING BAN ON ALL GUNS) get labelled hypocrites if they own or have anything to do with guns. Surely you know the difference between regulating certain guns/ammo and banning ALL GUNS. I'm not sure spazod does, but I'm sure you do.

It's more complicated than that. The paper released the addresses of gun owners, in an interactive map. What was the purpose of that article?

listopencil · 01-02-2013, 04:44 PM

Here's the article:

http://www.lohud.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...nclick_check=1

The article is very obviously making a point against gun proliferation. It's not about "some or any gun regulation", it's a piece intended to alarm readers about the proliferation of guns, even alluding to the recent Sandy Hook school shooting. The paper published an article warning about the dangers of gun proliferation, then hired gun men to protect itself, creating more gun proliferation. That's the irony. It is a "do as I say, not as I do" situation.

cosmo20002 · 01-02-2013, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by listopencil

It's more complicated than that. The paper released the addresses of gun owners, in an interactive map. What was the purpose of that article?

Not complicated. How does the paper getting threats and then hiring security make it a hypocrite?

12-26-2012, 06:21 PM
frazod Keep firing, assholes! Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $2833745	Anti-Gun Newspaper Outs Law-Abiding Gun Owners If this is buried somewhere, I didn't see it. Don't really give a shit if it's a repost, either. http://www.lohud.com/usatoday/article/1791507 N.Y. newspaper's gun-owner database draws criticism WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. -- Thousands of people have taken to their computers and phones in rage after The Journal News posted an online database of local gun-permit holders. The database, legally obtained from the County Clerks' Offices through a Freedom of Information Act request made after the shootings in Sandy Hook, Conn., that left 20 children and eight adults dead, has been called irresponsible, dangerous and leaning toward intimidation by online pundits. Social media played a big part in the exponential spread of the story, whose map has been recommended more than 20,000 times. Two Facebo Numerous additional comments relating to the gun-permit map have appeared on posts in other unrelated articles. More than a dozen more people sent private messages via Facebook objecting to the map. The overwhelming majority of comments strongly object to the article.ok posts linking to the article on Sunday garnered 346 comments as of Tuesday evening. That's in addition to 167 comments posted directly to Facebook.com/LoHud since the article was published. The database also was mentioned in the Drudge Report, Memorandum.com, Breitbart.com, Thegatewaypundit.com, Instapundit, iOwnTheWorld.com and UrbanGrounds, along with Yahoo, ABC News and Fox News, among others. More than 500 comments -- on both sides of the debate -- accompanied an article on CNN.com Tuesday. The Journal News is owned by Gannett Co. Inc., which is also the parent company of USA TODAY. Hundreds of callers have complained, claiming publication of the database put their safety at risk or violated their privacy. Others claimed publication was illegal. Many of the callers were vitriolic and some threatened members of the newspaper staff. "New York residents have the right to own guns with a permit and they also have a right to access public information," said Janet Hasson, president and publisher of The Journal News Media Group. Robert Freeman, executive director of the state Committee on Open Government and an expert in the state's Freedom of Information law, has said all government records and data are presumed public unless a specific statute bars their release. Names and addresses are specifically deemed public records, he said. This is not the first time The Journal News has been criticized for publishing information about gun permits. A similar article in 2006 received similar responses, although social media did not play as large a part in the spread of the article or of the complaints. "We knew publication of the database would be controversial, but we felt sharing as much information as we could about gun ownership in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shootings," said CynDee Royle, editor and vice president/news. "People are concerned about who owns guns and how many of them there are in their neighborhoods," she said. "Our Freedom of Information request also sought specifics on how many and what types of weapons people owned. That portion of the request was denied." Scott F. Williams, 41, of Haddon Heights, N.J., who served in the Marines as a rifleman, was one of the very few callers who agreed to identify themselves and comment on why they called. "This is what I see," he said. "It's all in the context of the shootings in Newtown ... it gets us all talking about gun control. That people are at a heightened concern makes sense to me. I am a gun owner and a pro-Second-Amendment (person). I try to be rational." He called the newspaper's decision to link to the database "highly Orwellian." "The implications are mind-boggling," he said. "It's as if gun owners are sex offenders (and) to own a handgun risks exposure as if one is a sex offender. It's, in my mind, crazy." *** Welcome to the Peoples Republik of New York, kids. Frankly, I don't know what's worse - the fact that this ing liberal rag actually did this, or the fact that some dumbass government official felt it was appropriate to release the information. Outing law abiding citizens guilty of nothing but exercising their constitutional rights - what a disgusting, despicable, dangerous abuse of power and betrayal of the public trust. Sane people don't advertise to their neighbors that they own guns - they don't flash them in the window, they don't have GUNS HERE INQUIRE WITHIN signs in their yards. Just like conceal carry, anonymity is important here. Now any punk who clicks on this site will know where they can go steal a gun. It essentially rings the dinner bell for them - just find a remote house on this list, and if nobody's home, break in and start looking. I guess if these gun owners didn't have alarm systems before, they'd better get one now. And so much for leaving your pistol in the nightstand - now you'll need an expensive safe. Thank God most thieving scumbags who'd steal guns don't read the news (or anything else), but surely somebody's going to take advantage of this, and when it happens, I sure as hell hope these ing vermin are held accountable for their irresponsible actions. If my name and address was on this list..... well, my reaction sure as ** wouldn't be a sternly-worded e-mail. But of course, these vile twats will hide behind the First Amendment. Gotta love people shitting on Constitution and then hiding behind it when the outrage hits. And that idiot Direckshun had the balls to complain about the money the NRA raises, when the opposition has the ability to pull crap like this.
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