Obama Illinois trying to go full batshit crazy on guns

**CrazyPhuD** · 01-03-2013, 12:01 AM

Because if we make everyone who owns a gun a felon then that will stop the felons who own guns in Chicago from shooting each other.....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50350330...-restrictions/

Both Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday night praised an Illinois Senate committee's approval of a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

In a party-line vote, the committee approved measures that would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles, but would allow current owners to keep them. High-capacity ammunition magazines would be restricted.

Quinn said he is very pleased the Public Health Committee took the step.

"There is no place in Illinois for weapons designed to rapidly fire at human targets at close range," he said.

In a statement, Emanuel said in order to protect children, families and communities, there is a need for "common-sense laws that provide the residents of our cities with the safety they deserve."

Gun rights groups, however, said the measures go too far and amount to an assault-weapons ban "on steroids."

Democrats are seeking restrictions in the wake of the school massacre in Connecticut last month and mass shootings in Wisconsin and Colorado last year. While the measures were approved by the committe, supporters will have a tougher sell in the full Senate, where downstate Democrats as well as Republicans are more pro-gun.

One measure would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles. People who currently own such weapons could keep them but would have to register them. The bill would allow semiautomatic weapons to be used at shooting ranges, but those facilities would be regulated.

National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts.

"I've never seen a piece of legislation that tramples on so many court decisions," Vandermyde said.

The bill's sponsor, Sen. Antonio "Tony" Munoz, disagreed.

"For everyone that says that we're taking away their rights, well then go to the range," the Chicago Democrat told members of the Senate Public Health Committee.

The second proposal would limit ammunition magazines and other "ammunition feeding devices" to 10 or fewer rounds. A similar measure received Senate approval in 2007, but the bill's sponsor, Sen. Dan Kotowski, downplayed the idea that a separate effort on shells stood a better chance of passage than the ban on weapons.

"The reason why I'm focusing on that is because (high) magazine capacity has led to the increased lethality and the dangers associated with automatic weapons," the Park Ridge Democrat said.

Gov. Pat Quinn, a Democrat, called for an assault-weapons ban in August after a mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater. But he took the approach -- highly unpopular with legislators -- of rewriting a fairly innocuous bill covering ammunition purchases, substituting language on semiautomatic weapons.

That failed when the General Assembly voted to override his amendatory veto, but mostly because lawmakers thought Quinn had overstepped his authority.

**CrazyPhuD** · 01-03-2013, 12:03 AM

Ironically this is actually a good thing. Going full retard means it's almost certain to be shot down(with the courts harshly slapping them for being ridiculous). The greater concern is if they go only part retard that makes it look like there's a chance it could be reasonable...

Exoter175 · 01-03-2013, 01:51 AM

One of the things that just drives me crazy is how the average joe will speak out against guns and "assault rifles", yet they all seem to think that a "Semi-Automatic" weapon can fire a billion times at the squeeze of a single trigger pull, is accurate, and are oblivious to the round count of the magazine.

Not to mention the fact that the average joe doesn't understand the difference between a "clip" and a "magazine"

DRIVES ME OFF THE WALL

**CrazyPhuD** · 01-03-2013, 04:08 AM

Actually it's even crazier than originally thought

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...eld.aspx?st&ps

now if you read the bill text...

http://legiscan.com/IL/text/HB1263/id/672728

you see them banning not only .50 caliber firearms but any 50 cal bullets not owned prior to the enactment of the ban. So eventually 'd get the the point where you can still legally own the gun but have no legal ammo for it. Note the way it's written it's not 50BMG specific. 50AE could be illegal, 500S&W too, 50 BeoWulf, 50GI, etc

Of course banning 50 cal bullets makes perfect sense because at least 2/3rds of the 500 people murdered in Chicago with guns were killed with 50 cal bullets right?

notorious · 01-03-2013, 08:21 AM

Frazod is going to melt this thread into a puddle of goo.

Oh, Illinois is home to some major AR-15 manufacturers.....

**Dallas Chief** · 01-03-2013, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

Frazod is going to melt this thread into a puddle of goo.

Oh, Illinois is home to some major AR-15 manufacturers.....

Yeah I was just thinking he is going to go completely off the rails on this one.

Frazod · 01-03-2013, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notorious

Frazod is going to melt this thread into a puddle of goo.

Oh, Illinois is home to some major AR-15 manufacturers.....

I don't think it will pass. And even if it does, it'll get shot down in the courts.

**Saul Good** · 01-03-2013, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

I don't think it will pass. And even if it does, it'll get shot down in the courts.

...with a .50 caliber round.

Frazod · 01-03-2013, 04:41 PM

Well, I didn't hear any cheering when I walked past City Hall a few moments ago, so I assume nothing happened today.

ghak99 · 01-03-2013, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Actually it's even crazier than originally thought

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...eld.aspx?st&ps

now if you read the bill text...

http://legiscan.com/IL/text/HB1263/id/672728

you see them banning not only .50 caliber firearms but any 50 cal bullets not owned prior to the enactment of the ban. So eventually 'd get the the point where you can still legally own the gun but have no legal ammo for it. Note the way it's written it's not 50BMG specific. 50AE could be illegal, 500S&W too, 50 BeoWulf, 50GI, etc

Of course banning 50 cal bullets makes perfect sense because at least 2/3rds of the 500 people murdered in Chicago with guns were killed with 50 cal bullets right?

Those "50 caliber" bans are designed to dip into the shotgun pool as well.

**CrazyPhuD** · 01-04-2013, 06:38 AM

Well that got killed faster than your average raiders fan....

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/701039755/

If the 'votes aren't there' in Illinois where are the votes????

notorious · 01-04-2013, 07:26 AM

The same thing will happen at the national level.

Frazod · 01-04-2013, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

Well that got killed faster than your average raiders fan....

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/701039755/

If the 'votes aren't there' in Illinois where are the votes????

I figured this is how it would shake out.

Suck it, comrades.

**LiveSteam** · 01-06-2013, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyPhuD

If the 'votes aren't there' in Illinois where are the votes????

Up Direckshun's ass.

Exoter175 · 01-06-2013, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Up Direckshun's ass.

Police State's are cool, take away all the guns! Nothing bad can happen right?

01-03-2013, 12:01 AM
CrazyPhuD Meow Join Date: Jun 2005 Casino cash: $1615695	Illinois trying to go full batshit crazy on guns Because if we make everyone who owns a gun a felon then that will stop the felons who own guns in Chicago from shooting each other..... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/50350330...-restrictions/ Both Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday night praised an Illinois Senate committee's approval of a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines. In a party-line vote, the committee approved measures that would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles, but would allow current owners to keep them. High-capacity ammunition magazines would be restricted. Quinn said he is very pleased the Public Health Committee took the step. "There is no place in Illinois for weapons designed to rapidly fire at human targets at close range," he said. In a statement, Emanuel said in order to protect children, families and communities, there is a need for "common-sense laws that provide the residents of our cities with the safety they deserve." Gun rights groups, however, said the measures go too far and amount to an assault-weapons ban "on steroids." Democrats are seeking restrictions in the wake of the school massacre in Connecticut last month and mass shootings in Wisconsin and Colorado last year. While the measures were approved by the committe, supporters will have a tougher sell in the full Senate, where downstate Democrats as well as Republicans are more pro-gun. One measure would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles. People who currently own such weapons could keep them but would have to register them. The bill would allow semiautomatic weapons to be used at shooting ranges, but those facilities would be regulated. National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts. "I've never seen a piece of legislation that tramples on so many court decisions," Vandermyde said. The bill's sponsor, Sen. Antonio "Tony" Munoz, disagreed. "For everyone that says that we're taking away their rights, well then go to the range," the Chicago Democrat told members of the Senate Public Health Committee. The second proposal would limit ammunition magazines and other "ammunition feeding devices" to 10 or fewer rounds. A similar measure received Senate approval in 2007, but the bill's sponsor, Sen. Dan Kotowski, downplayed the idea that a separate effort on shells stood a better chance of passage than the ban on weapons. "The reason why I'm focusing on that is because (high) magazine capacity has led to the increased lethality and the dangers associated with automatic weapons," the Park Ridge Democrat said. Gov. Pat Quinn, a Democrat, called for an assault-weapons ban in August after a mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater. But he took the approach -- highly unpopular with legislators -- of rewriting a fairly innocuous bill covering ammunition purchases, substituting language on semiautomatic weapons. That failed when the General Assembly voted to override his amendatory veto, but mostly because lawmakers thought Quinn had overstepped his authority.
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01-03-2013, 12:03 AM	#2
CrazyPhuD Meow Join Date: Jun 2005 Casino cash: $1615695	Ironically this is actually a good thing. Going full retard means it's almost certain to be shot down(with the courts harshly slapping them for being ridiculous). The greater concern is if they go only part retard that makes it look like there's a chance it could be reasonable... __________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t*rd by the clean end"
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01-03-2013, 01:51 AM	#3
Exoter175 Veteran Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Olathe Casino cash: $18392	One of the things that just drives me crazy is how the average joe will speak out against guns and "assault rifles", yet they all seem to think that a "Semi-Automatic" weapon can fire a billion times at the squeeze of a single trigger pull, is accurate, and are oblivious to the round count of the magazine. Not to mention the fact that the average joe doesn't understand the difference between a "clip" and a "magazine" DRIVES ME OFF THE WALL
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01-03-2013, 04:08 AM	#4
CrazyPhuD Meow Join Date: Jun 2005 Casino cash: $1615695	Actually it's even crazier than originally thought http://www.nraila.org/legislation/st...eld.aspx?st&ps now if you read the bill text... http://legiscan.com/IL/text/HB1263/id/672728 you see them banning not only .50 caliber firearms but any 50 cal bullets not owned prior to the enactment of the ban. So eventually 'd get the the point where you can still legally own the gun but have no legal ammo for it. Note the way it's written it's not 50BMG specific. 50AE could be illegal, 500S&W too, 50 BeoWulf, 50GI, etc Of course banning 50 cal bullets makes perfect sense because at least 2/3rds of the 500 people murdered in Chicago with guns were killed with 50 cal bullets right? __________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t*rd by the clean end"
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01-03-2013, 08:21 AM	#5
notorious I Lay Wood for a Living Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $1069	Frazod is going to melt this thread into a puddle of goo. Oh, Illinois is home to some major AR-15 manufacturers.....
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01-03-2013, 04:41 PM	#9
Frazod Banned Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: my own personal pig hell Casino cash: $1001187	Well, I didn't hear any cheering when I walked past City Hall a few moments ago, so I assume nothing happened today.
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01-04-2013, 06:38 AM	#11
CrazyPhuD Meow Join Date: Jun 2005 Casino cash: $1615695	Well that got killed faster than your average raiders fan.... http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2...ews/701039755/ If the 'votes aren't there' in Illinois where are the votes???? __________________ "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a t*rd by the clean end"
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01-04-2013, 07:26 AM	#12
notorious I Lay Wood for a Living Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $1069	The same thing will happen at the national level.
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