Defense: Will We Still Be in the 3-4 in 2013?

[the_spatula]

Who will be the next DC?

Which players would be out of a job if we changed scheme?

[Brooklyn]

Originally Posted by Chiefs=Good

****, its like the dream team of coaching staff and front office guys.

There's nothing more successful than an Andy Reid squad labeled The Dream Team!

[scott free]

Originally Posted by Brooklyn

There's nothing more successful than an Andy Ried squad labeled The Dream Team!

lets just put that phrase to bed right now.

The past is gone, moving on.

[NJChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by scott free

lets just put that phrase to bed right now.

The past is gone, moving on.

How about the "good but humble because we understand anything can happen and we need a QB" team.

[Setsuna]

There was the same discussion on Jags board about switching to 3-4 instead of staying in 4-3. What do the Broncos and 49ers run?

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

There was the same discussion on Jags board about switching to 3-4 instead of staying in 4-3. What do the Broncos and 49ers run?

Broncos play a 4-3 utilizing primarily an under front, iirc. 49ers are 3-4, can't recall what they line up in base front wise (odd, over, over-ed, etc)

[mcan]

It'll have a lot to do with our DC choice, but I think we are at least one decent good middle linebacker away from a successful 3-4 scheme. Say what you will about 1 gap, 2 gap, linemen... For the most part, if they are talented they can do the job with some coaching. But try running a 3-4 with only one decent middle linebacker and you'll be sorry. (see also: Chiefs).

[Exoter175]

This defense is built around a basic 3-4, with a few plug and play guys who are actually talented, I could see Andy Reid coming up with some crazy blitz happy 3-4 based scheme here in KC.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if he comes here, looks at our talent, and decides to mock up some 3-4 base cover 3 blitz schemes to incorporate Barry more actively in the blitz and to utilize him at his best, in my opinion, strength, which is ball hawking ability in run defense.

[Setsuna]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Broncos play a 4-3 utilizing primarily an under front, iirc. 49ers are 3-4, can't recall what they line up in base front wise (odd, over, over-ed, etc)

Thanks man! Now to figure out what that all means!

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Setsuna

Thanks man! Now to figure out what that all means!

odd front from the Ravens. Unlike our odd front, their DEs align in the 4-tech straight over the tackle as opposed to us which our DEs align in the 5-tech.



Under front from the Ravens. Weak side DE is playing the 3 tech, with a shaded NT, and the other DE playing the 4-tech. The strongside DE typically has 2-gap responsibilities.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by mcan

It'll have a lot to do with our DC choice, but I think we are at least one decent good middle linebacker away from a successful 3-4 scheme. Say what you will about 1 gap, 2 gap, linemen... For the most part, if they are talented they can do the job with some coaching. But try running a 3-4 with only one decent middle linebacker and you'll be sorry. (see also: Chiefs).

If we switch to the 4-3 (Wide 9 I'm assuming), we need a new NT or 3-tech depending on where our DC wants to play Poe and assuming Powe/Bailey aren't the answer, a new DE, and a new Will and Mike (DJ is an acceptable stop gap playing the Will or Mike IMO.

[CoMoChief]

Putting DJ back at OLB in a 4-3 is going to kill his production.

[Aspengc8]

Originally Posted by Sorter

odd front from the Ravens. Unlike our odd front, their DEs align in the 4-tech straight over the tackle as opposed to us which our DEs align in the 5-tech.

4 tech straight over the tackle? Isn't that a 5 tech? When I played, 4 was inside shade, 5 straight up, 6 outside shade... for the tackle. Guard was 1,2,3 and Tight end was 7,8,9. Could have changed over the last 10 years though.

[Gonzo]

I'd be surprised if they went back to a 4-3 right away, if at all. I don't see Johnson being nearly as effective in that type of setup. Maybe they'd switch in a couple years after making some personnel changes.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Exoter175

This defense is built around a basic 3-4, with a few plug and play guys who are actually talented, I could see Andy Reid coming up with some crazy blitz happy 3-4 based scheme here in KC.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if he comes here, looks at our talent, and decides to mock up some 3-4 base cover 3 blitz schemes to incorporate Barry more actively in the blitz and to utilize him at his best, in my opinion, strength, which is ball hawking ability in run defense.

We have to be careful. Reid has a 3-4 coach in Bowles develop a 4-3 philosophy. Heckert turned the Browns' 2-gap 3-4 into a 4-3.

The good news is, while I don't trust Reid whatsoever with our defensive scheme, Heckert was doing a good job in Cleveland. But I'd much, much rather have Reid stay out of the defensive scheme and instead focus on hiring a DC whose scheme fits the players. Right now, that scheme has to be a 3-4, and it should be a progressive 1-gap vs. the 2-gap we play today.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Gonzo

I'd be surprised if they went back to a 4-3 right away, if at all. I don't see Johnson being nearly as effective in that type of setup. Maybe they'd switch in a couple years after making some personnel changes.

Johnson.

Or Hali. Or Houston. Or anybody else in the front 7.

We'd have to COMPLETELY gut the front 7 to run a 4-3 next year. No thanks.