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Old 01-02-2013, 03:46 PM  
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brake line fitting

Busted the line at the fitting on the rear passenger side today. I can't get the fitting off, it seems really soft on both ends. Box wrench and socket wanted to round the edges with the slightest amount of torque. Special tool of tricks?

Orielly didn't know the diameter of.the line either. My chiltons didn't have specs that I seen. I assumed its 3/16.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:35 PM   #166
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It was an intentionally silly question to illustrate the ridiculousness of a difference in 1/16 of an inch in brake line length. My point is that if you have ANY air in the system it will completely obliterate any effect of difference in brake line length because air is more than 1000 times more compressible than brake fluid. If there was any measurable pull due to a 1/16 of an inch difference in brake line length, you would end up in the ditch if you applied the brakes with air in the line.
Since we're going to die because our brakes suck, perhaps we should consider this;

Given the increase in world population, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find a burial plot that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. (Which, by the way, is actually just about the going rate. If you sell your arm and leg to science, you can just about afford a burial plot.) That's why it's important that we, as a society, devise new and less space-intensive methods of getting rid of ourselves after death.

Personally, I prefer the explosion. Simply place the body in a box along with several hundred pounds of TNT or C4, apply fuse, and stand back. After the smoke clears, nobody will ever know you were here.

There is also the Viking method of floating off in a burning ship. That's pretty interesting on account of the fact that it's kind of romantic and you are eventually eaten by fish who enjoy a good brazed human once in awhile.

I would also put forth the idea of the centrifugal force system. This process involves placing the deceased in a giant tub that spins at extremely high speeds. After a few hours of that, your body will be flatter than a fritter and easily stackable. The value of this system is obvious since about 50 flat peeps take up about the same amount of space as 1 un-flat peep and, when combined with a length of string and some high winds, makes for a halfway decent kite in a pinch.

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Old 01-03-2013, 10:36 PM   #167
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:36 PM   #168
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If that's what you actually do I would be embarrassed if I was you.

No problems are getting fixed. None. every manufacturer is putting out pieces of shit. Ford. Lol. I was talking about a ford truck the whole time you stupid ****.

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Why would you be embarrassed? I've been where you've been, and in 10 years of work I've probably turned out 3-4 times more cars than you have since I've worked my time in the metro. If you lived here, I'd probably bring in 2-3 times as much as you do, too. And I work maybe 1/3rd the hours. I love my job, it just requires me to have Degrees, Certs, go through classes, and have an excellent understand of everything.

Ironically you bring up ford, as I was envisioning pre-2003 ford F series trucks when you were trying to describe the issue.

You have yet to answer about 17 of my questions thus far, most notably which of the ASE tests you took to get through your master cert, and in what area are you master certified?

I don't believe you are an ASE Mastertech, and your lack of information concerning my questions suggests you lied heavily about that.

Its okay to tell me you got your ASE certification in Air Conditioning or Brakes and Suspension (Easy certs) just so you can hang a sign in front of your shop. When I was 18 and my best friend and I had our first shop pre-college, we did the exact same thing.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:37 PM   #169
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:38 PM   #170
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Since we're going to die because our brakes suck, perhaps we should consider this;

Given the increase in world population, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find a burial plot that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. (Which, by the way, is actually just about the going rate. If you sell your arm and leg to science, you can just about afford a burial plot.) That's why it's important that we, as a society, devise new and less space-intensive methods of getting rid of ourselves after death.

Personally, I prefer the explosion. Simply place the body in a box along with several hundred pounds of TNT or C4, apply fuse, and stand back. After the smoke clears, nobody will ever know you were here.

There is also the Viking method of floating off in a burning ship. That's pretty interesting on account of the fact that it's kind of romantic and you are eventually eaten by fish who enjoy a good brazed human once in awhile.

I would also put forth the idea of the centrifugal force system. This process involves placing the deceased in a giant tub that spins at extremely high speeds. After a few hours of that, your body will be flatter than a fritter and easily stackable. The value of this system is obvious since about 50 flat peeps take up about the same amount of space as 1 un-flat peep and, when combined with a length of string and some high winds, makes for a halfway decent kite in a pinch.

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Old 01-03-2013, 10:38 PM   #171
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The point isn't that 1/16th of an inch can matter abstractly, its that when you REMOVE 1/16th of an inch, it will matter.
The only way removing a 1/16" of an inch would matter is if you consider the compressability of the brake fluid. It matters theoretically but in a practical system, not one bit.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:38 PM   #172
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Since we're going to die because our brakes suck, perhaps we should consider this;

Given the increase in world population, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find a burial plot that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. (Which, by the way, is actually just about the going rate. If you sell your arm and leg to science, you can just about afford a burial plot.) That's why it's important that we, as a society, devise new and less space-intensive methods of getting rid of ourselves after death.

Personally, I prefer the explosion. Simply place the body in a box along with several hundred pounds of TNT or C4, apply fuse, and stand back. After the smoke clears, nobody will ever know you were here.

There is also the Viking method of floating off in a burning ship. That's pretty interesting on account of the fact that it's kind of romantic and you are eventually eaten by fish who enjoy a good brazed human once in awhile.

I would also put forth the idea of the centrifugal force system. This process involves placing the deceased in a giant tub that spins at extremely high speeds. After a few hours of that, your body will be flatter than a fritter and easily stackable. The value of this system is obvious since about 50 flat peeps take up about the same amount of space as 1 un-flat peep and, when combined with a length of string and some high winds, makes for a halfway decent kite in a pinch.

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suffice to say, I think this thread is now closed.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:38 PM   #173
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Since we're going to die because our brakes suck, perhaps we should consider this;

Given the increase in world population, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find a burial plot that doesn't cost an arm and a leg. (Which, by the way, is actually just about the going rate. If you sell your arm and leg to science, you can just about afford a burial plot.) That's why it's important that we, as a society, devise new and less space-intensive methods of getting rid of ourselves after death.

Personally, I prefer the explosion. Simply place the body in a box along with several hundred pounds of TNT or C4, apply fuse, and stand back. After the smoke clears, nobody will ever know you were here.

There is also the Viking method of floating off in a burning ship. That's pretty interesting on account of the fact that it's kind of romantic and you are eventually eaten by fish who enjoy a good brazed human once in awhile.

I would also put forth the idea of the centrifugal force system. This process involves placing the deceased in a giant tub that spins at extremely high speeds. After a few hours of that, your body will be flatter than a fritter and easily stackable. The value of this system is obvious since about 50 flat peeps take up about the same amount of space as 1 un-flat peep and, when combined with a length of string and some high winds, makes for a halfway decent kite in a pinch.

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Old 01-03-2013, 10:39 PM   #174
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The only way removing a 1/16" of an inch would matter is if you consider the compressability of the brake fluid. It matters theoretically but in a practical system, not one bit.
Under the assumption that the system is completely contained and pressurized without a compressible fluid or other matter. Yes. However, again, that isn't the case, that is not how the system works. Please understand that.
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:47 PM   #176
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I envisioned Ford because that's 50% of what I work on lol. I just don't deal with 98-02/03ish ford trucks often. I generally don't work on trucks at all.

We closed the first shop because my partner took a job with Ford in bum****ed egypt Kansas Near Mound City/Blue Mound in that area. I went to school, he shortly followed me to school, we opened up another shop out of school as we finished our certs and wanted to make money. We didn't fail at all, I got a job offer and he applied for a job when we decided to close down since I was leaving.

You call that a failure, I call that keeping my ass employed and paying bills. Owning your own shop is hard and challenging, and to be honest, with my schooling and certs, I'll make more in a year than any single facility shop manager or shop owner will, and do a fraction of the work.

You you still haven't answered my ASE questions buddy, is that truly why you are done? Can't google all the information I asked so you can give me the right answer?
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Old 01-03-2013, 10:58 PM   #177
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Under the assumption that the system is completely contained and pressurized without a compressible fluid or other matter. Yes. However, again, that isn't the case, that is not how the system works. Please understand that.
I'm not sure what you mean by contained. Yes, the brake fluid is contained in the brake system consisting of the reservoir, master cylinder, brake lines and slave cylinders at the wheels.

I am not assuming the system is pressurized. It transitions from unpressurized before breaking to pressurized while you are breaking.

If the fluid were truly incompressible, the length of the line would not matter theoretically. Because brake fluid is slightly compressible, it has a very small effect that is not important in a practical sense.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:06 PM   #178
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I'm not sure what you mean by contained. Yes, the brake fluid is contained in the brake system consisting of the reservoir, master cylinder, brake lines and slave cylinders at the wheels.

I am not assuming the system is pressurized. It transitions from unpressurized before breaking to pressurized while you are breaking.

If the fluid were truly incompressible, the length of the line would not matter theoretically. Because brake fluid is slightly compressible, it has a very small effect that is not important in a practical sense.

What I mean is that your assumption is that reduction of brake line length from wits design, won't matter because fluid can't be compressed.

However, what I am getting at is that while the pressure of the fluid at contact won't be likely to change, the time at which it takes the pressure to contact at each caliper will change. The braking system is specifically designed so that each wheel when the brake pedal is applied,w ill brake simultaneously. If you remove the distance that the fluid needs to "travel" it applies before the other and we create a problem.

What I keep trying to point out here, is that the braking system here isn't completely fluid filled like you guys are envisioning, there is travel involved due to the design of the system, and because of that travel, reduction or addition of designed length, will change the braking dynamics of the vehicle.

Again, I want to reiterate the fact that I fully understand, agree, and comprehend what you are saying about a system where it is completely fluid filled full of a liquid that cannot be compressed, and how that makes length no longer matter.

I'm just here to tell you that the scenario you are juxtaposing, isn't applicable because that is not how the braking system is designed.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:12 PM   #179
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Yeah...you. You have been at this for two hours bro. Your a fuggin mechanic, and you work for the man. Piling on Jason about your Pitt State schooling (I wouldn't be tooting my horn too loudly about that yeeesh!) and your tardo certification tests. At least he has the balls to strike out on his own AND stick with it. I figure his business probably pulls in $300k a year based on what he said. Right nice little operation for a small town I would say.

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So, you're saying that when there is no pressure applied to the pedal there is no fluid in the lines?
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