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Old 12-30-2012, 01:52 PM  
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Non-QB Options at #1 Overall

I think it's worth having this conversation this offseason.

It doesn't make overwhelming sense for the Chiefs to go with a QB #1 overall. I would argue it makes a lot of sense, but it's not the clear-cut obvious move this year.

Mainly that's because this is a top-heavy QB class with no elite QB. There's a very good chance an Andy Dalton sits at the top of the second round.

I'm not necessarily advocating what's what we should do (yet), but here are our nonQB options at QB.

Secondary, RBs, ILBs, WRs, interior OL -- none of these positions deserve the #1 overall pick, unless the WR in question has elite speed. The best WR in my opinion this year is California's Keena Allen, who does not have elite speed.

Passrushers -- I think these are worth discussing because we don't know our defensive scheme next year -- if we are staying in a 3-4, there's no real reason to look here. But if we're going to a 4-3, where Justin Houston is completely unproven, it might be worth a look. Bjoern Werner is the player that jumps off the page, and plays with such immense strength that he's a very safe player for the NFL Draft, where you always worry about strength in DL prospects. I also like Dion Jordan of Oregon, Jarvin Jones of Georgia, and the passrushers on both sides of the LSU line.

Defensive tackle -- This team needs help up front. Dorsey is likely gone, Tyson Jackson will either be retained at a much lower salary or he's gone as well (likely). That leaves us with three huge linemen in Dontari Poe (who I think could move to DE), Jerrell Powe, and Shaun Smith. Powe and Smith are pluggers, and Poe is a penetrator. This team needs a top-notch OL penetrator, and that's exactly the kind of player that the #1 pick was designed for if a QB isn't on hand. Star Lotulelei of Utah and Sheldon Richardson of Missouri make the absolute most sense here (I think Johnathan Hankins and John Jenkins project more to be pluggers, which aren't worth the penultimate pick in the draft).

This is my way-too-early endorsement for the 2013 draft: if there is not a QB that jumps off the page and commands attention as a potential Super Bowl winning QB, as I believe there is not, the Chiefs should hold off 'til the second round, even trade back into the 1st for one, and save their biggest and best pick for the defensive lineman they believe will keep offensive coorindators up at night.

4-3 defense:

Hali
Lotulelei/Richardson and Poe
Powe and Smith
Houston

3-4:

OLB: Hali
Lotulelei/Richadson
Powe
Poe
OLB: Houston

Tackles -- Which brings me here. There is #1 overall worth talent here, and they're both in A&M. But I believe the Chiefs will bring back Branden Albert (which of course, we don't know until a new coach is brought in). Even if they don't bring in Albert, you can probably suffer through a year seeing what you have in Donald Stephenson. Getting elite DL talent is that important.

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Old 12-31-2012, 02:08 PM   #16
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Ark QB Tyler Wilson will be there in the 2nd rd.

If that's the case I'd go

1. Mante Teo ILB
2. Tyler Wilson QB
3. Da'Rick Rogers WR
3. Landry Jones QB
4. Tyrann Mathieu CB
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Old 12-31-2012, 02:41 PM   #17
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Now we get to look at mocks of a ****ing ILB going #1 and "Wilson being there in the 2nd."

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Old 12-31-2012, 03:20 PM   #18
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:28 PM   #19
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Ark QB Tyler Wilson will be there in the 2nd rd.

If that's the case I'd go

1. Mante Teo ILB
2. Tyler Wilson QB
3. Da'Rick Rogers WR
3. Landry Jones QB
4. Tyrann Mathieu CB
5. BPA
6. BPA
7. BPA

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If Brandon ****ing Weeden is a 1st round pick, then Wilson goes in the top 20.l
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:28 PM   #20
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Ark QB Tyler Wilson will be there in the 2nd rd.

If that's the case I'd go

1. Mante Teo ILB
2. Tyler Wilson QB
3. Da'Rick Rogers WR
3. Landry Jones QB
4. Tyrann Mathieu CB
5. BPA
6. BPA
7. BPA

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Really glad to see you chose one of the worst guys in man coverage with this pick as well
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Old 12-31-2012, 03:42 PM   #21
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Tyler Wilson will not be there in the second round.
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Old 12-31-2012, 08:42 PM   #22
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To not take a QB with the first pick is extremely risky. With that being said many posters here are also sick of the Chiefs being to "safe". So which is it? I am OK with Smith or Wilson. If the brass thinks one of them will be there at our 2nd pick I would be OK with taking a chance but only if the #1 is as much of a lock as can be possible to be a perennial pro bowler for 10 years. If they decide to do that get the best you can at what you need BUT HE BETTER BE REALLY GOOD for this risk. What we need other than QB is wr, CB, DT, safety and ilb. Get the best bang for the buck. But he better be great....... And we better get that QB.
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Old 01-01-2013, 12:10 AM   #23
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Ark QB Tyler Wilson will be there in the 2nd rd.

If that's the case I'd go

1. Mante Teo ILB
2. Tyler Wilson QB
3. Da'Rick Rogers WR
3. Landry Jones QB
4. Tyrann Mathieu CB
5. BPA
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Old 01-01-2013, 10:48 PM   #24
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Old 01-02-2013, 03:41 PM   #25
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If we even entertain this conversation, and stay with a 3-4 this conversation begins and ends with lotulei and jones.
It can't get much easier.

If 3-4: Lotulelei
If 4-3: Bjoern Werner

The end.

There aren't any other choices there. Joekel isn't good enough and no other positions matter enough. I lost a lot of confidence in Jarvis Jones as I saw the season go along (and watched him get abused in the running game). I don't think he has 1/2 the ceiling Werner does.
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Old 01-03-2013, 03:11 AM   #26
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It can't get much easier.

If 3-4: Lotulelei
If 4-3: Bjoern Werner

The end.

There aren't any other choices there. Joekel isn't good enough and no other positions matter enough. I lost a lot of confidence in Jarvis Jones as I saw the season go along (and watched him get abused in the running game). I don't think he has 1/2 the ceiling Werner does.
I don't seriously understand how people put him in the same class as Kalil. I really don't.
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The Chiefs need to draft a QB is so great this conversation is not worth having. That said Reid will probably pick up a retread like everyone else that comes in here so he can save his job.
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As long as we come out of this draft with bray as our qbotf, I'm happy. Doesn't have to be number one. You take Jones number one, then trade the house to come back for bray and I'll sell my kids for season tickets.
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As long as we come out of this draft with bray as our qbotf, I'm happy. Doesn't have to be number one. You take Jones number one, then trade the house to come back for bray and I'll sell my kids for season tickets.
I'm not selling children for Drunk Stafford.
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