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Old 01-04-2013, 07:46 AM  
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Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?

After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?

UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET

I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet.

I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed.

The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs.

Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass.

I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.

Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea.

Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making.

Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012.

Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful.

But Reid is a unique retread.

A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed.

My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points.

The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her.

Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too.

There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid.

Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run.

The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly.

If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin.

Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years.

This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach.

Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s.

For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other.

Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/a...rk-hunt-010313
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:32 AM   #61
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It's the going rate for a HC. The market sets the price.

Prove that. I think you're lying. I bet the average is 2M.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:33 AM   #62
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Why is he getting $7M per season? Can ANYBODY explain this explosion in salary? Isn't that a bit outrageous, we're giving a fired coach 3x more than any of our prior coaches ever earned? (I think Vermeil was in the 2-3M range and he was coming off a Super Bowl)
Reid doesn't deserve more than Jeff Fisher? This team has some real dumbbell fans.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:33 AM   #63
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There is a downside.

It's a good signing, but only if they don't get stubborn about the QB position, if they get the DC pick right (critical), and if Clark has learned his lesson and not settle for years of mediocrity. The downside is if we repeat the mistakes of the past and give Reid too much power, settle for playoffs instead of super bowls, and let experienced coaches/front office guys pick their cronies instead of picking coaches/players based on their abilities.

But I'm going to give them that chance to prove otherwise. I'm just glad to bring a winning culture back.
I'm not going to get too excited about the new season until I see the DC and what kind of scheme we run. If we blow up the 3-4 we aren't going to be very successful next year.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:36 AM   #64
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Update: Bill Belichick was the highest paid NFL coach at 7.5M/yr per Forbes. So Andy Reid just got fired, and is worth Belichick money? Hilariously stupid even for this franchise.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/04/pat...s_slide_2.html
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:36 AM   #65
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Prove that. I think you're lying. I bet the average is 2M.
Three years ago Pete Carroll signed with Seattle for $6.5 mil/yr.

Jim Harbaugh (no prior NFL HC experience) makes $5 mil/yr.

Sean Payton just re-upped with NO for $8 mil/yr.

Bill Belichick makes $7.5 mil/yr.

Jeff Fisher, last year, signed with St. Louis for $7 mil/yr.

Mike Shanahan makes $7 mil/yr.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:38 AM   #66
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Update: Bill Belichick was the highest paid NFL coach at 7.5M/yr per Forbes. So Andy Reid just got fired, and is worth Belichick money? Hilariously stupid even for this franchise.

http://www.forbes.com/2011/01/04/pat...s_slide_2.html
That contract was signed in 2007 and is up in 2013 so he'll be commanding Sean Payton money soon, moron.

Your CP username is quite accurate.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:39 AM   #67
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Three years ago Pete Carroll signed with Seattle for $6.5 mil/yr.

Jim Harbaugh (no prior NFL HC experience) makes $5 mil/yr.

Sean Payton just re-upped with NO for $8 mil/yr.

Bill Belichick makes $7.5 mil/yr.

Jeff Fisher, last year, signed with St. Louis for $7 mil/yr.

Mike Shanahan makes $7 mil/yr.

Right, and Crennel made what? 1M? How much do the guys in Jaxsonville or Carolina get? Was Shurmur making anything in Cleveland? The dude in Tennessee? Fisher makes 5.7M according to Forbes. Andy Reid = Bill Belichick money now. That's something you find acceptable, I find it laughably dumb.

The NFL average is higher than I expected, but in no state of the world should a fired coach who went 12-20 his last two years get the highest paycheck in the League. Hunt's money or not.
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John Fox gets somewhere between 3 - 3.5 each year.
Denver is still paying massive $$ to both Shanahan & McDaniels.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:41 AM   #72
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Pretty much. Remember when jwhit predicted the 16-0 season? Marty went on to resurrect the Chargers franchise despite having a terrible relationship with AJ Smith.
You know what's ironic?

Jason predicted the Chiefs to go 16-0 in 1998.

You know what 1998 was?

The year Marty "created a free agent roster disaster".
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:42 AM   #73
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Right, and Crennel made what? 1M? How much do the guys in Jaxsonville or Carolina get? Was Shurmur making anything in Cleveland? The dude in Tennessee? Fisher makes 5.7M according to Forbes. Andy Reid = Bill Belichick money now. That's something you find acceptable, I find it laughably dumb.

The NFL average is higher than I expected, but in no state of the world should a fired coach who went 12-20 his last two years get the highest paycheck in the League. Hunt's money or not.
Your 5.7M Fisher figure is from when he was in Tennessee. His contract in St. Louis is $7 mil/yr.

If you want to pay Romeo Crennell $$ then you're going to get Romeo Crennell value. JFC of all things to complain about you choose HC salary?


Also.. you can't compare Mike Mularkey, Pat Schurmur, Leslie Frazier, etc. Those guys are all 1st time HC's. KC hired a 14-yr HC who has gone to 5 conference championships and a Super Bowl FFS.
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:43 AM   #74
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You know what's ironic?

Jason predicted the Chiefs to go 16-0 in 1998.

You know what 1998 was?

The year Marty "created a free agent roster disaster".
Precisely.
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Denver is still paying massive $$ to both Shanahan & McDaniels.
True, but that isn't Fox's fault.
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