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Old 01-04-2013, 07:46 AM  
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Fatlock: After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?

After Philly fiasco, why is Reid hot?

UPDATED JAN 4, 2013 1:51 AM ET

I come from a long line of stone-cold hustlers. My grandfather loan-sharked and ran numbers on the south side of Indianapolis for his entire adult life. My father’s barbershop doubled as a craps house after hours, and I learned to hustle “tip books” at his neighborhood bars. My uncle ran a pea-shake house out of a dry cleaners. My grandfather, father and uncle all held down full-time jobs at Chrysler while hustling to make ends meet.

I mention this to add weight to my assertion that Andy Reid is on the brink of pulling off the greatest hustle I’ve ever witnessed.

The stench of Reid’s last two years in Philly is still smothering football fans in the City of Brotherly Love, and meanwhile he’s the hottest coaching prospect in the NFL, on the verge of being the first coach awarded a seat during professional football’s annual game of musical chairs.

Apparently, the Kansas City Chiefs and owner Clark Hunt outraced Arizona and San Diego to Reid’s Philadelphia coaching carcass.

I can’t positively say I’m against this hiring. What I can say is that I’m absolutely amazed by its urgency and swiftness. The Chiefs, Chargers and Cardinals chased after Reid like he was one of the Kardashians with a clean bill of health from Planned Parenthood and a fresh tummy tuck from a Beverly Hills plastic surgeon.

Hey, I’ve lived in Los Angeles for more than two years. I’ve heard all the Kardashian stories. Yes, they can put that thang on ya. But the truth is, there are more fish in the sea.

Does Clark Hunt know this? There are fish with less miles on their odometer, fish without indisputable video evidence of their sideline freakiness and questionable decision-making.

Because we’re in the “information age,” few people in the national media are focusing on Reid’s bizarre and troubling final two years in Philadelphia. Everyone wants to be first to provide the information about where Reid is going and who he is bringing with him and who is leaving because of his arrival. You can’t get that information from Reid, his handlers and his associates if you are publicly reminding Clark Hunt and Chiefs fans just how awful Reid was in Philadelphia in 2011 and 2012.

Let me repeat: I’m not anti-Andy Reid or retread coaches. There was a time when I thought Reid was as good as any coach in football. I loved the way he handled Donovan McNabb. And Bill Belichick, Dick Vermeil, Mike Shanahan, Tony Dungy and a bunch of other retread coaches have been highly successful.

But Reid is a unique retread.

A high percentage of Eagles fans believe Reid hasn’t been right since his defensive coordinator Jim Johnson died of cancer in 2009. Reid hasn’t won a playoff game since Johnson passed.

My issue is the last two years. The Eagles were the “dream team” in 2011 and Super Bowl favorite. They went 8-8. They had to win their final four games to reach 8-8. To the utter shock and surprise of no one not named Andy Reid, the decision to promote longtime offensive-line coach Juan Castillo to DEFENSIVE coordinator blew up in Reid’s face. In their eight losses, the Eagles surrendered an average of 29.8 points.

The Eagles spent millions of dollars building a dream team, and Reid turned his defense over to an offensive-line coach on a whim. This is like getting a date with Beyonce and consulting with Ike Turner on how to romance her.

Reid allegedly had a nine-hour interview with Clark Hunt and his entourage on Wednesday. I hope someone asked Reid to write a short essay about Juan Castillo. Did anyone have the nerve to ask Reid about his son overdosing and dying at Philly’s training camp this summer? The kid had steroids on him, too.

There are so many questions you have to ask Andy Reid.

Tell us what role you played in giving Michael Vick a new lucrative contract and then overseeing an offensive strategy that repeatedly put your undersized quarterback in harm’s way because of your love of the pass and hatred of the run.

The Eagles went 4-12 this season. Reid fired Castillo early. The defense got significantly worse. The players quit. Vick complained his teammates weren’t committed. Reid left a mess in Philly.

If ever a coach needed a year off work to focus on his family, recharge and self-exam, it’s Andy Reid. Instead, he’s juggling coaching offers. Yep, maybe he’s John Fox and all he needs is a fresh start. Or maybe he’s been chasing his tail for too long and he’s gone crazy. Maybe the fact he could have his pick of jobs after being a disaster the last two years will stop him from doing the kind of self-inventory necessary to snap out of this tailspin.

Hunt reportedly is going to hand Reid all sorts of power. Reid will allegedly be allowed to pick his own front office. General manager Scott Pioli might be relieved of his duties, which would be a good thing. But I don’t see Reid as some sort of personnel guru. A lack of depth has hurt the Eagles the past few years.

This is simply a remarkable job of failing forward by Andy Reid. He found the perfect NFL owner and fan base desperate to get over the pain of a 2-14 season and an overmatched general manager. According to season-long gossip and reports, Hunt has sought the advice of Marty Schottenheimer, the former Chiefs coach.

Reid reminds me of Schottenheimer, only Reid loves to pass the ball and Marty loved to run it. Marty had a successful run in Cleveland and needed a fresh start in Kansas City. It worked out well. A few years ago, Scott Pioli reminded me of Carl Peterson, the general manager who hired Schottenheimer in KC and worked with Schottenheimer during the 1990s.

For a time, Marty and Carl balanced each other.

Who is going to balance Andy Reid? I realize no one wants to talk about it now, while we’re all pretending Reid is Don Shula coming off the '72 season, but there’s plenty of proof Reid went crazy in Philly.

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Old 01-04-2013, 01:14 PM   #106
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In retrospect, was Herm let go too early? I don't think anyone hated him more than I, but I have been wrong before.

Herm's draft picks seem to be the strong suit on this team talentwise.
The game day coaching was as bad as, if not worse than, Romeo's.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:16 PM   #107
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This is similar to the Mike Shanahan situation and I think it's fair to say that Skins fans are pretty happy right now.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:16 PM   #108
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It's odd that Mr. jwhit (who is a champion of truth and fair-play) would completely ignore the various personal issues that Reid has dealt with over the course of the last few years. Or the fact that Vick's efficiency has gone downhill at light speed since 2010.

Odd that he would take a pass on the issues of drug use, mental disease, and poor quarterback play to simply focus on Reid's change in demeanor.

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Old 01-04-2013, 01:18 PM   #109
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I hate to break this to all the people who are going with calling him names. SOC was a movement that brought the plight of the Chiefs fan to the front of the nation. Without Whitlock that would have never happened. SOC would have been nothing more than a local movement involving some people with extra cash to hire a banner.
Whitlock did play a part, and probably made the largest donation, but I think it would have been successful anyway.

Marty and prcapone represented the movement professionally and didn't come off as drunk hot head fans. I think that was key to the success more than Whitlocks podcasts and $600.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:20 PM   #110
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This is similar to the Mike Shanahan situation and I think it's fair to say that Skins fans are pretty happy right now.
Exactly.

Guys that last THAT long with one franchise ultimately have to deal with a bit of myopia.

Look at Marty or Shanahan or even to the college ranks. Once you hit 10 years or so, thinks inevitably take a slide. Guys need to be re-energized.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:21 PM   #111
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The game day coaching was as bad as, if not worse than, Romeo's.
I can't argue with the part of it being bad, but IMO it was light years better than RACs.
Herm most infuriated me with his total disinterest in Chiefs tradition and rivalries.
But as I mentioned, he seemed to do a good job of evaluating talent.

But nevermind, it is the day of Andy Reid, and it is time to look forward.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:21 PM   #112
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John Welbourn said the same thing.
Has no bearing. My comment was in response to his cherry picked comments that portrayed Douglas' opinion of Reid as a bad coach. In reality he had some real positive things to say about Reid.
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Like most have said, he makes some fair enough points... but the pro's still outweigh the con's.

He's a low risk proven winner who has the experience to walk in and immediately get to work without delay, he has a well stocked list of league contacts... he isnt going to be "feeling his way around for a while".

He's also going to bring our atrophied passing game into the modern age, a factor worth its weight in gold.

He knows what a professional QB is supposed to look like, you can bet we're done bringing in brokedick vets and rookies that never amount to shit.

He's going to give a shot at the playoffs year in and year out... and thats the bottom line of why he was such a hotly pursued coach.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:25 PM   #114
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Whitlock would have been all over this if Andy had darker skin or it had been Lovie Smith.
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If Reid has risks, Chip Kelly has red flags.
Reid is the best chance of us fielding a surefire competitive team with a shot at a Super Bowl. Kelly is a boom/bust hire whose boom could be huge. I don't think either hire is good/bad, but given the state of the Chiefs and the need for a consistently good team, Reid is better for this situation.
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Whitlock did play a part, and probably made the largest donation, but I think it would have been successful anyway.

Marty and prcapone represented the movement professionally and didn't come off as drunk hot head fans. I think that was key to the success more than Whitlocks podcasts and $600.
They did a good job and I certainly don't intend to send the message that they did not, but here is the reality: They wouldn't have had a national presence without Whitlock.
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They did a good job and I certainly don't intend to send the message that they did not, but here is the reality: They wouldn't have had a national presence without Whitlock.
Whitlock helped, no question, Mr. J Diddy.

However, Chiefs fans flying banners over the stadium calling for the ouster of the GM and starting quarterback is no small thing and certainly a newsworthy event.

We'll never be able to prove it either way, but I have a strong sense that Whitlock can smell a good story a mile away and part of the reason he got involved was to piggy-back on the SOC movement. Was that worth $600 to him? Of course, it was. So, who helped who?

More importantly, does it even matter? I, for one, am grateful to Whittles for stepping up and playing a role. However, I'm not so naive as to believe that it would have happened if SOC's agenda had been inconsistent with his own.

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They did a good job and I certainly don't intend to send the message that they did not, but here is the reality: They wouldn't have had a national presence without Whitlock.
I didn't mean to imply that you were not saying they did a good job, I was just saying that I think what they did far outweighed (if possible ) what jwhit did.

We can only guess about the national presence thing, but you could be right. I am not sure which game it was, maybe the first one with a banner, but the announcers were talking about the banner. The local networks were involved and of course they are connected nationally as well.

No matter what, as we both agree, the job Marty and pr did makes us glad that someone like "Barryskoolaid" wasn't heading it up.
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They did a good job and I certainly don't intend to send the message that they did not, but here is the reality: They wouldn't have had a national presence without Whitlock.
Really? I saw lots of news stories about Save Our Chiefs and banners flying over Arrowhead. Hardly any of those stories mentioned Whitlock. So you think it was his $600 that made the difference?
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I didn't mean to imply that you were not saying they did a good job, I was just saying that I think what they did far outweighed (if possible ) what jwhit did.

We can only guess about the national presence thing, but you could be right. I am not sure which game it was, maybe the first one with a banner, but the announcers were talking about the banner. The local networks were involved and of course they are connected nationally as well.

No matter what, as we both agree, the job Marty and pr did makes us glad that someone like "Barryskoolaid" wasn't heading it up.
Before it gets derailed, I just want to restate my point. He helped, his help was sought after and appreciated.

There's really no sense in arguing over who had more weight to Hunt, because only Hunt can answer that.
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