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Old 01-03-2013, 09:32 AM  
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Chris Christie drops bomb on GOP leaders

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"It's why the American people hate Congress. Unlike the people in Congress, we have actual responsibilities."

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie dropped a bomb on Republican House Speaker John Boehner and Congress for refusing to allow a vote on Hurricane Sandy relief in the final hours of the 112th Congress. It was an instant classic of principled political outrage. It provided a strong dose of what Washington has been missing: blunt, independent leadership.


John AvlonChristie prosecuted the case by pointing out that hurricane relief had been provided more quickly to others: For victims of Katrina after 10 days and victims of Hurricane Andrew in Florida after 30 days. But residents of the New Jersey and New York coast have been waiting 65 days to date for some relief.

Christie also accurately pointed out that Northeast states such as New Jersey and New York send more to the federal government in taxes than they get back in federal aid, unlike many of the red states represented by conservatives in Congress. The "makers versus takers" narratives fall apart fast when confronted with reality.



Pulling no punches, Christie declared: "Last night, the House majority failed most basic test of leadership and they did so with callous disregard to the people of my state. ... It was disappointing and disgusting to watch." He also unapologetically named names: "There's only one group to blame ... the House majority, and their Speaker, John Boehner." He added that the relief bill "just could not overcome the toxic internal politics of the House majority."

But Christie also took the high road in terms of decrying the overall atmosphere of hyperpartisanship in D.C., arguing correctly that "Americans are tired of the palace intrigue and political partisanship of this Congress ... this used to be something that was not political. Disaster relief was something that you didn't play games with."



Sandy relief funds stalled in Washington Christie's broadside drew widespread praise on the Web.

One tweet I saw from "Ronnie" in Chicago seemed typical: "His dedication to his State is inspiring. I'm a democrat but damn, Christie's won me over. He has a damn heart."

Christie's fury was backed up by similar straight talk from New York Republican Congressman Peter King of Long Island.

He blasted House leadership on CNN Wednesday morning: "I would say the Republican Party has said it is the party of family values," he said. "Last night it turned its back on the most essential value of all, and that is to provide food, shelter, clothing and relief for people who have been hit by a natural disaster. And I would say that the Republican Party has turned its back on those people."

This display of independence was a reminder that there is a distinct brand of tough Northeastern Republicans -- people such as Christie, King and Rudy Giuliani -- who don't simply toe the line with party leadership or ideological litmus tests. Largely as a result, they are able to connect with centrists and independent voters and win on Democratic turf. This is a lesson for national Republicans as they look to reach out beyond their base.

Christie and King's principled independence and tough talk against their own party leadership brought results.

Within hours, Boehner and Republican House leadership announced that they would vote for an initial round of Sandy relief on Friday, followed by a vote on the remaining amount on January 15.

Conservative activist groups such as Americans for Prosperity, the Club for Growth and Heritage Action all pressured congressional Republicans to vote against Hurricane Sandy relief, and while they helped block a bill from coming to a vote on New Year's Eve, the swift and unsubtle backlash brought a wise reassessment.

All this is a reminder that straight talk in politics is so rare that it stands out and carries more than its own weight in civic debates. It cuts through the spin and resonates beyond party lines because it is credible and rooted in reality.

Most importantly, it gets results. Boehner's turnaround brought to mind a comment made by Christie during his press conference: "No one is beyond redemption."
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:41 PM   #46
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Just like those ****ing assholes in Joplin. We should repo theirs house ****ing looters.

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Joplin residents did not deliberately build on land known to flood that was below sea level, in many instances. No sympathy for those that choose to build in hurricane flood plain. **** off.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:44 PM   #47
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Joplin residents did not deliberately build on land known to flood that was below sea level, in many instances. No sympathy for those that choose to build in hurricane flood plain. **** off.
So people who choose to build in tornado alley should **** off also right?
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:54 PM   #48
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I love Christie but totally agree with Boehner on this one. The senate filled the bill with pork, the house should at least debate it and have a chance to strip some of it out.
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Old 01-03-2013, 06:57 PM   #49
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I love Christie but totally agree with Boehner on this one. The senate filled the bill with pork, the house should at least debate it and have a chance to strip some of it out.
Oh I was not addressing that I was just pointing out the absolutely stupid post I replied to~
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:05 PM   #50
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Oh I was not addressing that I was just pointing out the absolutely stupid post I replied to~
Wasn't singling you out. Just pointing out the reason Boehner pulled the bill isn't as sinister as Christie made it out to be. And I wonder how much Christie's words were more a political gesture for the future.

For example, $150 million of that bill is supposed to go to Alaskan fisheries. Didn't realize Sandy went that far.
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:09 PM   #51
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Wasn't singling you out. Just pointing out the reason Boehner pulled the bill isn't as sinister as Christie made it out to be. And I wonder how much Christie's words were more a political gesture for the future.

For example, $150 million of that bill is supposed to go to Alaskan fisheries. Didn't realize Sandy went that far.
Oh I have little doubt he was positioning with his well rehearsed adlib rant~
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Old 01-04-2013, 10:52 AM   #52
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So people who choose to build in tornado alley should **** off also right?
Point taken. But the majority of those in tornado alley do not have government supported( meaning you and I) tornado insurance. Unlike those who who have insurance in highly flood prone areas that have government sponsored ( meaning you and I) National Flood Insurance. People should not be allowed to live where private insurers won't touch them, and then expect the government( meaning you and I) to help them rebuild. Insanity.
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Old 01-04-2013, 11:56 AM   #53
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He's all about small government...until he needs big government.
How exactly would you have him go about that differently in this case? They take money from us, by force if necessary. We do have a big federal government with substantial resources (that they've taken from us) and substantial power (that they've taken from us), so why is it not the responsibility of the federal government to give aid in a time of crisis to local populations? If The People's Republic of Bum****aswathiland invaded the state of New York should the feds expect New York to defend itself without the aid of "big government"?
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Here's a really simplistic idea for you guys to rip apart:

Foreign aid and disaster relief can be part of the same fund. Money not used in a fiscal year for disaster relief can be allocated in the next fiscal year for foreign aid.
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Now that the vote is over in both the House and Senate, in both cases only republicans voted no. All congressmen and senators from Kansas voted no. Blunt and Graves from Missouri voted no.

Let's hope the east coast doesn't tell the heartland to go F ourselves with the next drought, or flood, or Joplin/Greensburg Tornado. Midwest states like Kansas receive much more federal assistance then they pay into the system when things like this happen on a grand scale.

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Relief packages are a terrible way to go about this. What the Feds should do instead is set up a disaster relief bank that states can borrow from to fund their relief and reconstruction efforts. They then pay it back with an interest rate something like a half point over the rate on Treasuries. This way you get no pork, no unnecessary politics, and states have access to the funding they need to repair after disasters.
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Now that the vote is over in both the House and Senate, in both cases only republicans voted no. All congressmen and senators from Kansas voted no. Blunt and Graves from Missouri voted no.

Let's hope the east coast doesn't tell the heartland to go F ourselves with the next drought, or flood, or Joplin/Greensburg Tornado. Midwest states like Kansas receive much more federal assistance then they pay into the system when things like this happen on a grand scale.

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Relief packages are a terrible way to go about this. What the Feds should do instead is set up a disaster relief bank that states can borrow from to fund their relief and reconstruction efforts. They then pay it back with an interest rate something like a half point over the rate on Treasuries. This way you get no pork, no unnecessary politics, and states have access to the funding they need to repair after disasters.
Sure. States could then do the same thing instead of paying federal taxes. When the federal government needs money they can borrow it and pay it back with interest. I'm sure they'd be all over the idea.
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Sure. States could then do the same thing instead of paying federal taxes. When the federal government needs money they can borrow it and pay it back with interest. I'm sure they'd be all over the idea.
The primary reason the Federal government is called on for disaster relief is that it can quickly and easily borrow money and run a deficit (something states cant do). Its not because the Feds are any better at handling things. A disaster relief bank would allow states to tap into this borrowing power under extreme circumstances but would otherwise keep the Feds out of things.
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The primary reason the Federal government is called on for disaster relief is that it can quickly and easily borrow money and run a deficit (something states cant do). Its not because the Feds are any better at handling things. A disaster relief bank would allow states to tap into this borrowing power under extreme circumstances but would otherwise keep the Feds out of things.
That's a good point, and I agree with you. I am disagreeing with the idea that politicians who expect the federal government to provide aid in time of disaster are wrongfully taking advantage of "big government" that they oppose.
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