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Old 01-04-2013, 04:01 PM  
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Chip Kelly is close to a deal to become the Browns coach

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BREAKING: Chip Kelly is close to a deal to become the #Browns coach, according to a source informed of his situation.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:19 PM   #91
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Because he is a phenomenal coach of players. His up tempo approach can easily mix in well with a QB and OC who like to run no huddle. And he's incredibly bright -- it's not like he can't run an NFL offense with spread orientation.

AGain, when I"m picking coaches, it's for how he can put a team together, not as much the X's and O's. The risk is in how stubborn he will be on scheme. My opinion is that he can pick a more spread-oriented OC who understands the NFL game. If he does that, this will be a really interesting pick to watch. But again... if he insists on playcalling control and/or on a college OC, then yeah, the Browns are doomed. I actually think Kelly is way too smart to do something like that.
Chip Kelly recruited uber-talented players, and there's a ton of smoke that he cheated to do it.

You've honestly completely lost me. What you've said above makes zero sense. Sounds like grasping at straws.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:25 PM   #92
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Chip Kelly recruited uber-talented players, and there's a ton of smoke that he cheated to do it.

You've honestly completely lost me. What you've said above makes zero sense. Sounds like grasping at straws.
It's not grasping at straws.

Again, I said the scheme is a risk. He's a boom/bust guy who could either be really successful or be an absolute nightmare. But I also think he's incredibly bright and knows he can't do things the same, nor will he try.

But as a head coach... he's known to be incredibly organized, runs a terrific practice, and is incredible at disciplining players to play within the system. His up tempo approach only works because it's practically run like a machine. Let's say he delegated the entire offense to his OC (We know he won't... just pretend here). If he did that, he could still potentially be a terrific head coach.

So again... I always liked Kelly because I like coaches who are going to get the most out of their players. And Kelly will do that. The risk is in the scheme, and we just don't know what he's going to do here. Hence, boom/bust.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:39 PM   #93
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:45 PM   #94
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It's not grasping at straws.

Again, I said the scheme is a risk. He's a boom/bust guy who could either be really successful or be an absolute nightmare. But I also think he's incredibly bright and knows he can't do things the same, nor will he try.

But as a head coach... he's known to be incredibly organized, runs a terrific practice, and is incredible at disciplining players to play within the system. His up tempo approach only works because it's practically run like a machine. Let's say he delegated the entire offense to his OC (We know he won't... just pretend here). If he did that, he could still potentially be a terrific head coach.

So again... I always liked Kelly because I like coaches who are going to get the most out of their players. And Kelly will do that. The risk is in the scheme, and we just don't know what he's going to do here. Hence, boom/bust.
Getting the most out of your players at the college level is a much different process than in the NFL.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:50 PM   #95
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Chip Kelly recruited uber-talented players, and there's a ton of smoke that he cheated to do it.

You've honestly completely lost me. What you've said above makes zero sense. Sounds like grasping at straws.
We talked about this last night. Kelly is in for a rude awakening. His biggest advantage was talent at the college level. In the NFL... he's ****ed.

Have fun with the salary cap and NFL parity c unt face.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:50 PM   #96
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I'm morbidly curious to see what the guy does in the NFL. I feel like he's the biggest boom or bust guy out there. He's either going to revolutionize the NFL or flame out horrifically.

As mentioned, my biggest concern with him though is while his teams will throw the ball, their strength has always been speed, speed and speed with the running game. I'm curious to see how Chip adjusts that to the NFL.
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I'm morbidly curious to see what the guy does in the NFL. I feel like he's the biggest boom or bust guy out there. He's either going to revolutionize the NFL or flame out horrifically.

As mentioned, my biggest concern with him though is while his teams will throw the ball, their strength has always been speed, speed and speed with the running game. I'm curious to see how Chip adjusts that to the NFL.
He will not have the speed/talent discrepancy he had in college. I think he's going to flame out.
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Getting the most out of your players at the college level is a much different process than in the NFL.
Again, he gets his players to play disciplined, well executed football. And his players are extraordinarily well conditioned and play hard for him. That, more than anything, is something that will easily translate on the NFL level. It was once noted that he runs one of the most effective practices in the game.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:59 PM   #101
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Again, he gets his players to play disciplined, well executed football. And his players are extraordinarily well conditioned and play hard for him. That, more than anything, is something that will easily translate on the NFL level. It was once noted that he runs one of the most effective practices in the game.
Lots of coaches in the NFL can do that. That doesn't set him apart.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:05 PM   #102
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Lots of coaches in the NFL can do that. That doesn't set him apart.
I really, really disagree with that.

You've seen I'm pretty consistent on this. This is my #1 criteria for a head coach. Norv and Romeo don't discipline their players because they're afraid to not be somebody's friend. Gunther Cunningham and Rex Ryan are all empty words. Lots of guys don't have the people skills to lead or motivate. A lot of them are like that really smart guy in class that can ace every exam, but could never sell anything on the road because nobody buys what you're selling.

So to me, Chip Kelly has that in spades. Something many good X's and O's guys don't have. So the Browns get that. Again, the question will become if his power gets to his head and/or if his scheme adapts. But at the very least, think Cleveland will be a very well coached team that won't make many mistakes and will play really hard for Kelly.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:15 PM   #104
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I really, really disagree with that.

You've seen I'm pretty consistent on this. This is my #1 criteria for a head coach. Norv and Romeo don't discipline their players because they're afraid to not be somebody's friend. Gunther Cunningham and Rex Ryan are all empty words. Lots of guys don't have the people skills to lead or motivate. A lot of them are like that really smart guy in class that can ace every exam, but could never sell anything on the road because nobody buys what you're selling.

So to me, Chip Kelly has that in spades. Something many good X's and O's guys don't have. So the Browns get that. Again, the question will become if his power gets to his head and/or if his scheme adapts. But at the very least, think Cleveland will be a very well coached team that won't make many mistakes and will play really hard for Kelly.
So he's got the goods to be an 8-8 NFL coach. What does he have that gets him to that NEXT level?
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:22 PM   #105
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So he's got the goods to be an 8-8 NFL coach. What does he have that gets him to that NEXT level?
If his scheme is good and talent evaluation is solid, that leadership makes his team a playoff team. But Chip Kelly is an unusual case, where his scheme is probably going to be really inventive and very successful, or it's going to be really bad.

Again, it's boom/bust. But unlike a lot of other innovators, the team won't fail for lack of leadership.
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