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Old 01-05-2013, 08:40 AM   #121
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WTF does this mean? You guys sold the damn barn for Carson Palmer
You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:42 AM   #122
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You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
We wouldn't pay him or he, like Manning, wanted no part of the fiasco that were the Pioli Chief's?
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:46 AM   #123
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We wouldn't pay him or he, like Manning, wanted no part of the fiasco that were the Pioli Chief's?
Not a chance and you know damn well the Hunts aren't willing to pay the kind of money to bring a FA Like Manning in. It was just a smoke screen to keep you guys in the seats and to make you think he tried... One team held all the cards and cap room for Manning and that was the Chiefs...

Imagine what that 30 million in cap room could have done to replace the shit at QB you have this year?
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:47 AM   #124
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So what? The two situations are as different as night and day.

Pioli had never run an organization before. It's apparent to everyone now that Pioli was nothing more than Belichick's errand boy, and he was completely unprepared to do the job he was hired to do.

We are excited about this hire because Andy Reid has has already done this, and he's been wildly successful at it. He has proven that he can do this.

The ONLY possible concern would be the 8-8 and 4-12 records of the last two years. I heard a caller on one of the local radio stations say how much that concerned him, and he went on to say that he can't think of a single coach who has gone to another team and been successful after a couple of years like that.

I wanted to yell at the radio and tell that idiot that he obviously doesn't follow the NFL, because I can think of SIX coaches right off the top of my head who got fired after one or more bad seasons with their original teams and then went to different teams and took them (at least) to the playoffs: Bill Belichick, John Fox, Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan, Pete Carroll, and our very own Marty Schottenheimer. With the exception of Bellichick, all of those coaches won division titles with their original team before they got fired.

If you're looking for a parallel in Chiefs history, it isn't the hiring of Scott Pioli. It's the hiring of Marty Schottenheimer. Marty never got us to the promised land, but he took us on a helluva ride for 10 years.
10 years with 3 playoff wins, 2 that came in the same season, and no SB to show for it.

10 years closer to death without sniffing a SB.

The fact still remains, regardless of resume's, that the excitement when Scott Pioli was hired, the excitement level was the same.

I am not drawing a parallel of previous records.

I am comparing reactions.

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You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
That wasn't about money.

That was Scott Pioli ensuring that Matt Cassel had no real competition.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:47 AM   #125
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Dude, they just spent like 20 million replacing Varys and hiring Reid. You are going full troll again.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:48 AM   #126
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You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
We just demoted the GM position to the HC's man-servant.

His job is to do the will of the HC.

And the HC we just hired has no fear of spending money for people he wants. He went out and grabbed every goodie in free agency a few years ago and built the "dream team."

Clark didn't hire this guy to not spend money...
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:48 AM   #127
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You guys wouldn't even pay KY Orton with a team full of shit, That's the main reason you guys haven't sniffed a SB since ****ing Gatorade was invented. The Hunts are CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP, and they will remain CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP.
Dumbass. That was a Pioli decision, not a Clark Hunt decision. Pioli didn't want Kyle Orton to challenge Matt Cassell for the starting job this year.

Clark Hunt overpaid Pioli, and he just shelled out around $35 million for Andy Reid. That pretty much debunks all of the talk about how cheap people think he is.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:48 AM   #128
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So what? The two situations are as different as night and day.

Pioli had never run an organization before. It's apparent to everyone now that Pioli was nothing more than Belichick's errand boy, and he was completely unprepared to do the job he was hired to do.

We are excited about this hire because Andy Reid has has already done this, and he's been wildly successful at it. He has proven that he can do this.

The ONLY possible concern would be the 8-8 and 4-12 records of the last two years. I heard a caller on one of the local radio stations say how much that concerned him, and he went on to say that he can't think of a single coach who has gone to another team and been successful after a couple of years like that.

I wanted to yell at the radio and tell that idiot that he obviously doesn't follow the NFL, because I can think of SIX coaches right off the top of my head who got fired after one or more bad seasons with their original teams and then went to different teams and took them (at least) to the playoffs: Bill Belichick, John Fox, Tom Coughlin, Mike Shanahan, Pete Carroll, and our very own Marty Schottenheimer. With the exception of Bellichick, all of those coaches won division titles with their original team before they got fired.

If you're looking for a parallel in Chiefs history, it isn't the hiring of Scott Pioli. It's the hiring of Marty Schottenheimer. Marty never got us to the promised land, but he took us on a helluva ride for 10 years.
You nailed it on your last part. As of right now, he is a very good coach who hasn't proven he can win the big game. And regardless of his playoff win/loss record, anyone in the NFC East can attest that those wins came despite some questionable game management on Reid' part.

The last time around, I trusted Pioli in the same way Hunt did. That was a mistake, and we have to be careful about that. If we repeat history, we'll definitely give him way too much power and we'll extend his contract regardless of how he performs. Like I said before... the DC decision shouldn't be his, he should have say in personnel but hopefully learn to trust his talent evaluators, and in year 5 we have to decide what level of success is acceptable to extend his contract (given the Chiefs' history... they'd be content with "good enough.")
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:50 AM   #129
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Not a chance and you know damn well the Hunts aren't willing to pay the kind of money to bring a FA Like Manning in. It was just a smoke screen to keep you guys in the seats and to make you think he tried... One team held all the cards and cap room for Manning and that was the Chiefs...

Imagine what that 30 million in cap room could have done to replace the shit at QB you have this year?
Manning has all the money he needs. He's a competitor that weighed his options. Pioli's chiefs with Romeo and Daboll were probably never much of a consideration to him.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:50 AM   #130
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Ok, You guys clean off your rose colored glasses and be back here next year when you are 6-10 because El Cheapo Clark wouldn't spend the cash, I am not arguing with you hard heads.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:51 AM   #131
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Manning has all the money he needs. He's a competitor that weighed his options. Pioli's chiefs with Romeo and Daboll were probably never much of a consideration to him.
Obviously he doesn't, he risked eating babyfood for the rest of his life to grab the money....


Nobody in the NFL does it for anything except money...
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:53 AM   #132
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We just demoted the GM position to the HC's man-servant.

His job is to do the will of the HC.

And the HC we just hired has no fear of spending money for people he wants. He went out and grabbed every goodie in free agency a few years ago and built the "dream team."

Clark didn't hire this guy to not spend money...
I believe that as team building is concerned, that Scott Pioli had the right approach.

You build championship teams through the draft, and dip into free agency for a couple of key additions when the time is right.

Where Pioli failed is n the actual choices he made in the draft.

The SB hasn't been won by teams that just spend money.

It's won by teams that make good picks in the draft.
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Old 01-05-2013, 08:55 AM   #133
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10 years with 3 playoff wins, 2 that came in the same season, and no SB to show for it.

10 years closer to death without sniffing a SB.

The fact still remains, regardless of resume's, that the excitement when Scott Pioli was hired, the excitement level was the same.

I am not drawing a parallel of previous records.

I am comparing reactions.
I guess I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here. It sounds like you've decided that nobody should ever get excited about any hire if they've ever been disappointed in the past.

If that's the way you want to look at things, I suppose that's fine for you. I just happen to think that an Andy Reid / John Dorsey combination as head coach and GM is something to get excited about. There's no guarantee that it's going to work out, but even the most pessimistic fan HAS to admit that it's a hell of a lot better combination than Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli.
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:00 AM   #134
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I believe that as team building is concerned, that Scott Pioli had the right approach.

You build championship teams through the draft, and dip into free agency for a couple of key additions when the time is right.

Where Pioli failed is n the actual choices he made in the draft.

The SB hasn't been won by teams that just spend money.

It's won by teams that make good picks in the draft.
Good thing the #1 candidate for our GM job was the director of college scouting for the Packers...
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Old 01-05-2013, 09:02 AM   #135
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That was actually one of Reid's downfall in Philly. He was always known to be a head coach that concentrated on the draft but the last few years he dived into the FA market and it didn't work.

Sure there were other issues (death of Johnson, never getting a defensive staff settled afterwards, lack of cohesion in the front office after Heckert left and his family personal issues).

Who knows if Reid will work but at the same time one gets the feeling he stayed in Philly for to long and started going against his original blue print in the end. He gets a new start staff wise and gets to go back to his original blue print again.
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