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A QB with the 1st pick of the draft 167 48.69%
Trades back and selects a QB in the 1st round 39 11.37%
A QB in the 2nd round of the draft 17 4.96%
A QB in the mid to late rounds of the draft 2 0.58%
A free agent, or trade from another team at QB 10 2.92%
Michael Vick 7 2.04%
Kevin Kolb 2 0.58%
He's Andy ****ing Reid. He knows more than I do. Whoever he takes, I'm good. 94 27.41%
Gaz loves defense, but I want him to select our QB 5 1.46%
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Old 01-05-2013, 05:02 AM  
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The QB Reid chooses to lead the Chiefs

Let's try this again. I will only be happy if Reid chooses...

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Old 01-05-2013, 12:20 PM   #181
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Ironic because this time last year Russel Wilson wasn't anywhere near the caliber of someone like Russel Wilson.
Precisely !

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Old 01-05-2013, 12:20 PM   #182
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Ironic because this time last year Russel Wilson wasn't anywhere near the caliber of someone like Russel Wilson.
Precisely !

Screw all these so-called experts and their overrated opinions that usually end up no more accurate than those of us who post on this board.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:24 PM   #183
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I think that Tannehill is much more mature than Tyler Bray and probably Tyler Wilson.
Bray will be the Ryan Leaf of this draft...
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:25 PM   #184
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Ironic because this time last year Russel Wilson wasn't anywhere near the caliber of someone like Russel Wilson.
That's really not true. The knock on him was height, not ability or athleticism. Pete Carroll and John Schneider say him as a potential starter from day one, which is exactly what he did.

People forget this guy was a two sport star that was offered a one million dollar MLB contract when he was 18 and was later drafted in the MLB. But the dude loved football more than money.

If Wilson was 6'2 or taller, he'd have been in the Top 3 last year.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:25 PM   #185
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I think that Tannehill is much more mature than Tyler Bray and probably Tyler Wilson.

Firstly, Tannehill was 24 years old to start the 2012 season and he's married. Bray would be 21 and there have been questions about Wilson, even though he'll be 24 to start the 2013 season.

All I can say is that none of these guys, at least today, look like slam dunks.
There were a lot of positives for Tannehill. He's athletic as hell, big, and he had/has solid intangibles.

However, there were real concerns about what he'd done as a QB (experience) and his ability to transition fully to the position.

But he was worth the risk.

I'll tell you what will piss me off: trading back into the first round to grab a guy who drops. Don't sacrifice more draft resources for a kid we could take at 1/1.

As for Bray and Wilson, these guys are almost impossible for fans to evaluate because the concerns are almost exclusively issues that would need to be resolved during the interview process.
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Bray will be the Ryan Leaf of this draft...
That emotionally immature ??
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:26 PM   #187
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I wouldn't be surprised at a trade for Kolb if he doesn't like any QB's in this draft. Reid liked him and picked him because he can run Reids offense.
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Precisely !

Screw all these so-called experts and their overrated opinions that usually end up no more accurate than those of us who post on this board.
Again, untrue.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:28 PM   #189
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Ironic because this time last year Russel Wilson wasn't anywhere near the caliber of someone like Russel Wilson.
Yes and no. Some thought he looked great but for his height:
Russell Wilson is quite the intriguing quarterback prospect in the 2012 NFL Draft class.

He threw for over 11,000 yards with 109 touchdowns and only 30 interceptions during his time with the North Carolina State Wolfpack and Wisconsin Badgers.

He demonstrated great decision making, a strong, accurate arm, quick delivery and tremendous scrambling ability in his illustrious collegiate career.

The only knock on Wilson—and it's a major one—is his lack of ideal NFL quarterback height.

He measured a shade below 5'11'' at the Senior Bowl earlier this week.

However, once Wilson put the pads on and stepped on the field, he impressed nearly all the draft experts and scouting onlookers.

Bleacher Report's NFL Draft expert Matt Miller, tweeted the following about Wilson's showing in Mobile.

Despite his smaller size, Wilson has always been able to drive the football and make all the throws. He was a 2010 draft pick of the Colorado Rockies as a second baseman. His baseball background proves he's a stellar all-around athlete with a good arm.
At the NFL level, many point to the fact that Wilson may struggle mightily seeing over bigger offensive lines.

It's an old scouting phrase used against many smaller signal-callers entering the pro ranks. Wilson's situation is different.

Last season with the Badgers, he wasn't exactly throwing behind the smallest line in the country. In fact, it was one of the biggest from left tackle to right tackle. They averaged over 6'5'' and 322 pounds.
Due to their mammoth overall size and the talented running back Montee Ball, the 2011 Badgers were a run-first club, but Wilson didn't have many issues throwing over them, as evidenced by his 33 touchdowns, four interceptions and 72.8 completion percentage.

That's not to say all of his throws came from the pocket. He was utilized on a variety of bootlegs and roll-outs and demonstrated great accuracy throwing on the run.

If he's used in a similar system in the NFL, the athletic, smart and big-armed Wilson has the potential to be successful on Sundays.


Then again, Russ Lande said "Wilson did not fare as well at the Senior Bowl. It started off badly when he measured under 5-11, and then he struggled with accuracy throughout the week. He showed good mechanics to get rid of the ball quickly and a very strong arm to make every NFL throw without a problem. However, teams can’t ignore his height and lack of consistency as a pocket passer. He likely won’t be drafted because his performance this week showed that he will be, at best, a backup quarterback in the NFL."
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:29 PM   #190
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Yes and you can get a potential pro bowl MLB, LT or DT in the process you take that. Geno isn't RGIII like most people think.

This or trade for Kirk Cousins
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There were a lot of positives for Tannehill. He's athletic as hell, big, and he had/has solid intangibles.

However, there were real concerns about what he'd done as a QB (experience) and his ability to transition fully to the position.

But he was worth the risk.

I'll tell you what will piss me off: trading back into the first round to grab a guy who drops. Don't sacrifice more draft resources for a kid we could take at 1/1.

As for Bray and Wilson, these guys are almost impossible for fans to evaluate because the concerns are almost exclusively issues that would need to be resolved during the interview process.
Wilson and Bray (especially Bray, IMO) will need to withstand a long and arduous process of due diligence. Both have maturity concerns, which caused Ryan Mallet to drop to the third round.

Bray is 21 years old and would need a spotless background to go #1 overall, something I don't think possible for him.

Who wants to turn over their $1 billion dollar franchise to a 21 year old punk?
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:32 PM   #192
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Wilson has been getting good reviews from scouts early in the process already.


Yes, there is no Luck or Manning in this draft. There have only been two drafts with those guys in in it, yet there are alot of really talented QB's.

There doesn't have to be a "sure" thing to take a chance with him at number 1.
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Again, untrue.
Back it up.

Russell Wilson is the perfect example going against your NO REAL QBs IN THIS YEARS DRAFT CLASS opinion.
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Old 01-05-2013, 12:36 PM   #194
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Who wants to turn over their $1 billion dollar franchise to a 21 year old punk?
No one. That would be a bad decision.

However, the Chiefs must get a QB, and the trade/FA options are horse shit. We can say "Wait until the second," but that's not a plan; it's hoping.

If they take that approach, they'd have to be monitoring the situation incredibly closely, being prepared to trade back into the first for their guy. For example, I could see this type of approach with a guy like Murray.

If that's the case, I think it would make more sense to "over draft" him than to be willing to commit even more resources, particularly since there isn't a player in this draft that simply demands to be drafted (Megatron, etc.).
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That's really not true. The knock on him was height, not ability or athleticism. Pete Carroll and John Schneider say him as a potential starter from day one, which is exactly what he did.

People forget this guy was a two sport star that was offered a one million dollar MLB contract when he was 18 and was later drafted in the MLB. But the dude loved football more than money.

If Wilson was 6'2 or taller, he'd have been in the Top 3 last year.

If Pete Carroll had known he would be as successful and he has been, the Seahawks would have taken him in the first round and wouldn't have worried about Matt Flynn.

If you remove Russel Wilson from the Seahawks roster and put him into the 2013 draft, he'd probably be projected as the #1.

So the fact is, that Russel Wilson last year wasn't projected as someone who would likely be a successful NFL starter.

Irony stands.

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