The QB Reid chooses to lead the Chiefs

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Let's try this again. I will only be happy if Reid chooses...

Poll forthcoming.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? I know a bunch of CPer's love Geno, but when I watched him on a few occasions, I saw nothing that said "Franchise QB Savior". Same with Bray. I only watched a few quarters of Wilson and saw nothing of Glennon.

The bottom line for me is that I'd hate to see the Chiefs take a QB because they NEED a QB, then end up with Jake Locker or Blaine Gabbert.

That, to me, would suck and further set back the franchise.

If not the draft then who and how? Alex Smith, whom the Chiefs will have to trade for? No franchise is winning a SB with him. Flynn? That would be an incredibly stupid move. Cousins? Of course not.

There is nothing but mediocrity available via trade or FA, so we have to take the chance on someone with legit upside, and who is every bit the equal of the FA/trade lot.

New CBA makes it easy to turn and burn if a more appealing option appears, even if that's next off-season.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by EagleRob

I watch a lot of football but don't remember what a 1/1 pick commands in terms of $$. Been a while.

Andrew Luck got 5 years $22 million last year. $22 million total. New CBA has a rookie slotting scale now. That's why you're going to start seeing QB's fly off the shelf in the top 10 picks.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Andrew Luck got 5 years $22 million last year. $22 million total. New CBA has a rookie slotting scale now. That's why you're going to start seeing QB's fly off the shelf in the top 10 picks.

4 years.

Both Newton and Luck got 4 years 22M.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

If not the draft then who and how? Alex Smith, whom the Chiefs will have to trade for? No franchise is winning a SB with him. Flynn? That would be an incredibly stupid move? Cousins? Of course not.

There is nothing but mediocrity available via trade or FA, so we have to take the chance on someone with legit upside, and who is every bit the equal of the FA/trade lot.

New CBA makes it easy to turn and burn if a more appealing option appears, even if that's next off-season.

Again, I think it's too early to speculate when and where and how these guys will test out at The Combines. It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if there was no clear cut number one guy and if that's the case, I could see the Chiefs trading down for picks and possibly moving back up into the bottom half of the first round for "Their" guy.

FTR, I'm not stating that's what I want to happen, nor do I expect it to happen. But with a QB class that at this time has no clear cut "Savior", it's definitely possible, IMO.

[SNR]

I am pretty damn confident Reid will draft a QB at #1.

That whole Q&A thing, "Andy, you're going to a team without a QB WHATEVER WILL YOU DO???"

"Well, they have the #1 overall pick..."

The guy is thinking QB. He was thinking QB all season in Philly, assuming his team would need to draft a new guy. He's going to be thinking QB here.

We're getting a QB at #1. Bank on it.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Andrew Luck got 5 years $22 million last year. $22 million total. New CBA has a rookie slotting scale now. That's why you're going to start seeing QB's fly off the shelf in the top 10 picks.

But conversely, Gabbert, Locker and Ponder all went in the first back in 2011 and none have been even average. Gabbert and Locker have been downright terrible at times. Ponder was called the worst QB in the league by Jimmy Johnson earlier this season.

[EagleRob]

Thanks for the update. Point is, the pick is a fairly significant financial and symbolic commitment to build a team around. Reid won't take it lightly. He will draft a differene maker or trade down. If his QB isnt out there he won't just take the best QB if he's not deserving of the 1/1.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

I am pretty damn confident Reid will draft a QB at #1.

That whole Q&A thing, "Andy, you're going to a team without a QB WHATEVER WILL YOU DO???"

"Well, they have the #1 overall pick..."

The guy is thinking QB. He was thinking QB all season in Philly, assuming his team would need to draft a new guy. He's going to be thinking QB here.

We're getting a QB at #1. Bank on it.

That doesn't mean it's a great pick or a pick worthy of #1. It's just the usual Chiefs "reach".

Oh, we need a defensive lineman so let's get Freeman and Sims and Downey and Savaii and Dorsey and Jackson.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, I think it's too early to speculate when and where and how these guys will test out at The Combines. It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if there was no clear cut number one guy and if that's the case, I could see the Chiefs trading down for picks and possibly moving back up into the bottom half of the first round for "Their" guy.

FTR, I'm not stating that's what I want to happen, nor do I expect it to happen. But with a QB class that at this time has no clear cut "Savior", it's definitely possible, IMO.

I don't disagree with anything that you've said, but I firmly believe that the Chiefs must find their starting QB for '13 early in this draft, or it's automatically a lost year.

There is a damn good QB in this draft; there is in pretty much every draft. And the Chiefs must find him.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by EagleRob

Thanks for the update. Point is, the pick is a fairly significant financial and symbolic commitment to build a team around. Reid won't take it lightly. He will draft a differene maker or trade down. If his QB isnt out there he won't just take the best QB if he's not deserving of the 1/1.

5M a year is not a significant financial investment. Most of it comes in a signing bonus and you are looking at a 2-3M cap hit.

[SNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Again, I think it's too early to speculate when and where and how these guys will test out at The Combines. It wouldn't surprise me, at all, if there was no clear cut number one guy and if that's the case, I could see the Chiefs trading down for picks and possibly moving back up into the bottom half of the first round for "Their" guy.

FTR, I'm not stating that's what I want to happen, nor do I expect it to happen. But with a QB class that at this time has no clear cut "Savior", it's definitely possible, IMO.

That's insane. The combine and pro days will help sort out the QBs, but they're not going to affirm them.

This draft isn't the 2000 draft when the only QB taken was Chad Pennington late in the 1st. It's not as good as 2012, either. And I don't think it's as good as 2004, either.

It IS, however, better than 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008, 2007, 2006, and 2005, though.

That's pretty ****ing positive. These QBs are going to ****ing fly off the board. Expect at least 4 gone in the first round, with at least two in the top 10.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But conversely, Gabbert, Locker and Ponder all went in the first back in 2011 and none have been even average. Gabbert and Locker have been downright terrible at times. Ponder was called the worst QB in the league by Jimmy Johnson earlier this season.

I don't expect a 1st rounder to do shit until their 3rd year. I expect some learning curves. Locker is flashing, Gabbert is not doing shit, and I don't know enough about Ponder. Newton, Luck, RGIII, and Wilson may be the new norm, but I think they're the exception. That said, Newton had some struggles this year. We'll see if RGIII, and Luck have some 2nd year slumps of their own.

[DoucheMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I don't disagree with anything that you've said, but I firmly believe that the Chiefs must find their starting QB for '13 early in this draft, or it's automatically a lost year.

I'm sure you know what sucks? It's that the Chiefs just had to get the number one overall pick in a year in which an Andrew Luck or RGIII or even Cam Newton and Matt Ryan aren't available.

That is insanely frustrating to me.

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

There is a damn good QB in this draft; there is in pretty much every draft. And the Chiefs must find him.

I hope you're right. I just hope that QB wouldn't be equivalent to a 3rd rounder (i.e. Foles) or a 4th rounder (Cousins) in previous years.

[SNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That doesn't mean it's a great pick or a pick worthy of #1. It's just the usual Chiefs "reach".

Oh, we need a defensive lineman so let's get Freeman and Sims and Downey and Savaii and Dorsey and Jackson.

Dude, the Chiefs were drafting for this mythical "value" you crave when they took Sims and Dorsey. They were absolutely worth those picks. Those guys were thought to be studs, and more than worth top 10 picks.

And when have the Chiefs ever reached for a valuable position?

There's a huge difference between QB and 5-technique DT.

I can't believe you're making this argument.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Wilson's defense is not that great.