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displacedinMN · 08:32 AM

This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get.
This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts.

Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre
By Jana Hollingsworth
Duluth News Tribune
Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST

A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university.

Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact.

UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university.

Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless.

Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama,
in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook."

Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel."

The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment."

Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university.

"There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability."

Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said.

But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website.

"For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view."

"I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous."

Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006.

He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks.

As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us."

KC native · 01-06-2013, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Good God, do you think you could find a couple of better examples?

And I guess that whole "I don't need friends!" is a healthy attitude for somebody who is too much of a piece of shit to make any in the first place. You go girl!

More holier than thou Frazzie posts. Classic stuff here.

LiveSteam · 01-06-2013, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

If you got lucky enough to meet me,

. If you think a hayseed from ****ing Nebraska who posts racist shit towards me, makes me have any fear then I have some beachfront property in Arizona that I would like to discuss with you.

In person? I need some beachfront.

**frazod** · 01-06-2013, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

More holier than thou Frazzie posts. Classic stuff here.

Some of do well in person.

Some of us are anonymous internet ****s.

**rockymtnchief** · 01-06-2013, 08:05 PM

I'm with Frazod on this one. There's a lot of talk that the Bushmaster wasn't used. The media and government have emphasized on the scary gun too much. If they find it wasn't used, do you think either will retract their stories or stands on the AR-15? I doubt it.

KC native · 01-06-2013, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Some of do well in person.

Some of us are anonymous internet ****s.

And some of us exercise terrible judgement and do things like shoot appliances or go into hysterics after a tragedy.

KC native · 01-06-2013, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

In person? I need some beachfront.

Anytime you make it down to DFW cupcake. Anytime.

KChiefer · 01-06-2013, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by frazod

Not sure yet. I was just discussing it your mom, but she can't talk right now.

"And down goes Frazod, like George Michaal in a loo!!! He's so desperate he's breaking out the 'your mom' routine!"

KChiefer · 01-06-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief

I'm with Frazod on this one. There's a lot of talk that the Bushmaster wasn't used. The media and government have emphasized on the scary gun too much. If they find it wasn't used, do you think either will retract their stories or stands on the AR-15? I doubt it.

By who?

LiveSteam · 01-06-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by rockymtnchief

I'm with Frazod on this one. There's a lot of talk that the Bushmaster wasn't used. The media and government have emphasized on the scary gun too much. If they find it wasn't used, do you think either will retract their stories or stands on the AR-15? I doubt it.

Hell no. They will stick with the Ar-15 no matter how many times its proven not to have been the weapon used.

**rockymtnchief** · 01-06-2013, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefer

By who?

http://video.today.msnbc.msn.com/tod...08495#50208495

**frazod** · 01-06-2013, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KC native

And some of us exercise terrible judgement and do things like shoot appliances or go into hysterics after a tragedy.

Speaking of taking pages from the Vailpass playbook, I love the whole I'm too much of a failure/bitch/pussy to post anything about my personal life, but I'll take shots at those who do! Nice job, microballs! Doesn't bother me - I just consider the source. And laugh at it.

As for the post-shooting hysterics, there's been plenty of that, 100% of it by liberal sheep. I'm not one of them.

**rockymtnchief** · 01-06-2013, 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Hell no. They will stick with the Ar-15 no matter how many times its proven not to have been the weapon used.

Either way, the damage is done. Everyone will still use this tragedy on their agenda to push a ban and they have it burnt into the brains of all the public that these guns are the devil.

**frazod** · 01-06-2013, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefer

"And down goes Frazod, like George Michaal in a loo!!! He's so desperate he's breaking out the 'your mom' routine!"

Well, I wasn't so desperate to break out the wife smack first.

It's like you idiots don't even read your own posts. Not that I blame you.

LiveSteam · 01-06-2013, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KC native

Anytime you make it down to DFW cupcake. Anytime.

Cameo Lane Dallas Texas close enough for you?
Shit I thought your maggot ass lived in Springfield Missouri.
I apologize to all my friends in Missouri for thinking this. I should have known better

KC native · 01-06-2013, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

Speaking of taking pages from the Vailpass playbook, I love the whole I'm too much of a failure/bitch/pussy to post anything about my personal life, but I'll take shots at those who do! Nice job, microballs! Doesn't bother me - I just consider the source. And laugh at it.

As for the post-shooting hysterics, there's been plenty of that, 100% of it by liberal sheep. I'm not one of them.

I've posted limited information about myself because I post on topics that could get me in trouble in my professional life. Anonymity prevents dipshits on this forum from affecting my life outside of CP. I know it's hard to comprehend that someone can have a life outside of CP, but it happens frazzie.

01-05-2013, 08:26 AM
displacedinMN Starter Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Correcting papers Casino cash: $11186	Newtown shooting theory-the government did it. This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get. This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts. Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre By Jana Hollingsworth Duluth News Tribune Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings. In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university. Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact. UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university. Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless. Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama, in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook." Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel." The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment." Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university. "There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability." Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said. But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website. "For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view." "I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous." Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006. He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks. As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us." Last edited by displacedinMN; 01-05-2013 at 08:32 AM..
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