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Why people laugh at Creationists

Taking a lead from Killer Clown I thought I'd create a alternative thread to post some videos I like...

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"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
Do not believe in traditions simply because they have been handed down for many generations.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

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Old 01-07-2013, 11:01 AM   #1666
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nope, if you say you are, you act the part...not acting the part, you aren't
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:02 AM   #1667
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You may not agree with Hitler's actions. But that doesn't mean you get to make the determination of his religious affiliation. Hitler was indeed a Christian. He had some unique views in the way he interpreted it, but you can say the same about pretty much any religious person. You pick the parts that appeal to you and essentially mold the religion to match your personal views.
like i said a CINO if there ever was. Christian in name only, just saying it doesn't make it true.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:03 AM   #1668
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nope, if you say you are, you act the part...not acting the part, you aren't
According to the bible, god supposedly ordered mass murders of people more than once.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:04 AM   #1669
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You may not agree with Hitler's actions. But that doesn't mean you get to make the determination of his religious affiliation. Hitler was indeed a Christian. He had some unique views in the way he interpreted it, but you can say the same about pretty much any religious person. You pick the parts that appeal to you and essentially mold the religion to match your personal views.
it doesn't matter what he says...it is what he does
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:04 AM   #1670
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According to the bible, god supposedly ordered mass murders of people more than once.
New Testament link?
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:04 AM   #1671
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Lot of stuff on this subject. Again, I don't pretend to be an expert but let me offer this.
The beautiful thing about believing in God is that you dont have to have proof to know that he exists.

You are right, the Bible was written by men...yet it is the word of God. Men such as prophets and priests and saints are less men than channels that allow God to reach the rest of us. The dictionary is also just words, and yet it defines every word in the English language...

God makes his actions through people, and those people's actions are God. Moses did all of his work in Egypt for and by God. Without God, the chosen people would have remained slaves. Noah built the ark as a result of God's will. God did not want humans to go extinct, so he acted through Noah and his family.

People quote the Holy Bible because they respect its wisdom. Even if one does not believe in God, they cannot deny that the Bible lays down wonderful moral guidelines.

The proof of God is shown individually by God. Everyone has their own experiences that proves to them that God is watching over them. If you have not had your experience yet, do not despair. It will always come to those who are truely devoted to Him. And He is always ready toa ccept those who do not follow Him, whenever they decide to turn to Him for guidence.

What I have come to know from this is that God has a plan for each of our lives. We should seek him and ask for his wisdom and guidance.

It appears that we all choose/refuse to believe something.
These are so demonstrably stupid it could take an entire day to respond to adequately. So I will make no attempt to. Instead I shall take a few minutes whilst I wait for some astro images to download to briefly reply.

By paragraph

1) So its beautiful to believe in things for which there is no proof. Well I believe in pink pixies that live in my dirty clothes hamper. That is beautiful.

2) So why does god always meet with his "prophets" on mountaintops? Why do they get inside info directly from the big guy (and always in private) and I don't even get a freaking text?

3) So Hitlers actions are god. Nice to know. Also why did it take "god" 40 years to get Moses through the Sinai peninsula? I could walk it in a week tops. Even with a bum knee. If "god" wanted to wipe out all life but noah and his family (and assorted bugs and such on the boat) why didn't he just do it?

Why the whole stupid flood? Seems like unnecessary suffering for animals and innocents when he could have just snapped his fingers and made it so. (and saved 39.9 days in the process)

4)The morality of the bible is horrific. Slaves, beatings, stonings, animal and human sacrifice, genocide, tearing families apart, murder of innocents are just a few you choose to "overlook".

5) EVERY religion makes the same claim to be in touch with "god". the reason? Because there is no god, its your inner mind, you are answering yourself as god. Indians used peyote and fasting, some religions pray, some chant but ALL of them report the exact same "experience".

6) No you are in charge of your own life and affairs. Stop giving credit to god and take it yourself. You are the one to succeed or fail, give yourself praise or admonishment.

Can't believe I wasted my time with that.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:05 AM   #1672
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These are so demonstrably stupid it could take an entire day to respond to adequately. So I will make no attempt to. Instead I shall take a few minutes whilst I wait for some astro images to download to briefly reply.

By paragraph

1) So its beautiful to believe in things for which there is no proof. Well I believe in pink pixies that live in my dirty clothes hamper. That is beautiful.

2) So why does god always meet with his "prophets" on mountaintops? Why do they get inside info directly from the big guy (and always in private) and I don't even get a freaking text?

3) So Hitlers actions are god. Nice to know. Also why did it take "god" 40 years to get Moses through the Sinai peninsula? I could walk it in a week tops. Even with a bum knee. If "god" wanted to wipe out all life but noah and his family (and assorted bugs and such on the boat) why didn't he just do it?

Why the whole stupid flood? Seems like unnecessary suffering for animals and innocents when he could have just snapped his fingers and made it so. (and saved 39.9 days in the process)

4)The morality of the bible is horrific. Slaves, beatings, stonings, animal and human sacrifice, genocide, tearing families apart, murder of innocents are just a few you choose to "overlook".

5) EVERY religion makes the same claim to be in touch with "god". the reason? Because there is no god, its your inner mind, you are answering yourself as god. Indians used peyote and fasting, some religions pray, some chant but ALL of them report the exact same "experience".

6) No you are in charge of your own life and affairs. Stop giving credit to god and take it yourself. You are the one to succeed or fail, give yourself praise or admonishment.

Can't believe I wasted my time with that.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:05 AM   #1673
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New Testament link?
Are you now saying OT isn't part of the bible?
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:07 AM   #1674
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Are you now saying OT isn't part of the bible?
The world was a very different place before Christ, GOD flooded the world due to excessive violence. We all DESERVE the worst, good thing Christ offers us a way to GOD through his blood sacrifice.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:09 AM   #1675
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The world was a very different place before Christ, GOD flooded the world due to excessive violence. We all DESERVE the worst, good thing Christ offers us a way to GOD through his blood sacrifice.
I don't agree we all deserve the worst.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:16 AM   #1676
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The world was a very different place before Christ, GOD flooded the world due to excessive violence. We all DESERVE the worst, good thing Christ offers us a way to GOD through his blood sacrifice.
Why do "we all" deserve the worst God has to offer?
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Do you really believe that the entire world was flooded and that Noah and his family were the only humans left on earth afterward and that 2 of every creature on earth were floating around on the boat with them?
That is a lot of incest.
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Old 01-07-2013, 11:18 AM   #1678
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According to the bible, god supposedly ordered mass murders of people more than once.

And God himself had brought his judgement down on Sodom and Gormorahh.

Godís judgement is anything but capricious. When the Lord announces His intention to judge Sodom and Gomorrah for their sins, Abraham boldly asks, Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city. Will you then sweep away the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous who are in it? Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?Ē (Gen. 18.25).
Like a Middle Eastern merchant haggling for a bargain, Abraham continually lowers his price, and each time God meets it without hesitation, assuring Abraham that if there are even ten righteous persons in the city, He will not destroy it for their sake.

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The world was a very different place before Christ, GOD flooded the world due to excessive violence. We all DESERVE the worst, good thing Christ offers us a way to GOD through his blood sacrifice.
Are god and christ psychopaths?
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Lot of stuff on this subject. Again, I don't pretend to be an expert but let me offer this.
The beautiful thing about believing in God is that you dont have to have proof to know that he exists.

You are right, the Bible was written by men...yet it is the word of God. Men such as prophets and priests and saints are less men than channels that allow God to reach the rest of us. The dictionary is also just words, and yet it defines every word in the English language...

God makes his actions through people, and those people's actions are God. Moses did all of his work in Egypt for and by God. Without God, the chosen people would have remained slaves. Noah built the ark as a result of God's will. God did not want humans to go extinct, so he acted through Noah and his family.

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What I have come to know from this is that God has a plan for each of our lives. We should seek him and ask for his wisdom and guidance.

It appears that we all choose/refuse to believe something.
As you have noted, people can call themselves (or others) prophets and saints, but that doesn't make them so.
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