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Old 01-05-2013, 08:26 AM  
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Newtown shooting theory-the government did it.

This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get.
This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts.


Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre
By Jana Hollingsworth
Duluth News Tribune
Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST


A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university.

Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact.

UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university.

Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless.

Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama,
in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook."

Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel."

The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment."

Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university.

"There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability."

Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said.

But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website.

"For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view."

"I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous."

Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006.

He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks.

As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us."

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Old 01-08-2013, 10:19 AM   #136
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This post by Radar Chief contains footage of the police finding a gun in the car, and Radar Chief (and many others responding to the youtube) says that's not an AR-15, it's a shotgun.
Well, itís certainly not an AR.
Considering the conflicting information out there Iím withholding further judgment until I see an official police report.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:20 AM   #137
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Nice to see you got nothing.
As I said all along, I wasn't there. There were initial conflicting reports (mentioned by several other people, included the person who's post you quoted, although in your epic butthurt bitchiness you felt compelled to single me out ) that gave a reasonable (yes, I know, doesn't include you) person pause.

I've never said IT'S A CONSPIRACY THEY'RE KILLING OUR CHILDREN!!!! I just said it's not beyond the realm of possiblity. I don't trust the government or the mainstream media that it effectively controls. Liars lie - that's what they do. Are they lying about the details of this incident? Sure hope not. But I have little doubt that there is no limit to the amount of children that souless witch Feinswine and scum like her would sacrifice altar of gun confiscation to achieve their goals. After all, it's not like we're talking about their kids. When isolated incidents like this occur and the overhyped aftermath is used to further the interests of powerful, evil people, blindly and automatically dismissing their involvement is foolish at best. Did they do it? I don't know. I hope they didn't and honestly don't think they did. But could they have done it? Absolutely.

CoMo is far more convinced of this conspiracy stuff than I am - why don't you go hump his leg?
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:33 AM   #138
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CoMo is far more convinced of this conspiracy stuff than I am - why don't you go hump his leg?
He'll have to wait for cosmos to get off it first.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:38 AM   #139
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As I said all along, I wasn't there. There were initial conflicting reports (mentioned by several other people, included the person who's post you quoted, although in your epic butthurt bitchiness you felt compelled to single me out ) that gave a reasonable (yes, I know, doesn't include you) person pause.

I've never said IT'S A CONSPIRACY THEY'RE KILLING OUR CHILDREN!!!! I just said it's not beyond the realm of possiblity. I don't trust the government or the mainstream media that it effectively controls. Liars lie - that's what they do. Are they lying about the details of this incident? Sure hope not. But I have little doubt that there is no limit to the amount of children that souless witch Feinswine and scum like her would sacrifice altar of gun confiscation to achieve their goals. After all, it's not like we're talking about their kids. When isolated incidents like this occur and the overhyped aftermath is used to further the interests of powerful, evil people, blindly and automatically dismissing their involvement is foolish at best. Did they do it? I don't know. I hope they didn't and honestly don't think they did. But could they have done it? Absolutely.

CoMo is far more convinced of this conspiracy stuff than I am - why don't you go hump his leg?
You(and LimpStream) get singled out because I enjoy knocking dicks in the dirt that belong to loudmouths that present little substance and constantly resort to personal attacks/deflection as their offense/defense. Do note that I made a point to not belittle rockymtnchief, because he payed me the same respect.

Not humping anyone's leg here. CoMo's beyond help.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:50 AM   #140
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You(and LimpStream) get singled out because I enjoy knocking dicks in the dirt that belong to loudmouths that present little substance and constantly resort to personal attacks/deflection as their offense/defense. Do note that I made a point to not belittle rockymtnchief, because he payed me the same respect.

Not humping anyone's leg here. CoMo's beyond help.
Knocking my dick in the dirt? Good luck with that, you indoctrinated idiot sheep. The next time you do anything other than make me weep for my lost tax dollars, I'll let you know. My main offense/defense is common sense, not burping back government propaganda. And I've encountered enough U of I types to know that common sense is not taught in any classroom in Champaign.

As for rockymtnchief, yeah, he is a nice person - certainly nicer than I am. Maybe he works with retarded orphans all day, which gives him the patience to politely deal with fools like you. I, however, have no tolerance for it.

Nice to know I get under your skin, though. I'll keep it up.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:02 AM   #141
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Knocking my dick in the dirt? Good luck with that, you indoctrinated idiot sheep. The next time you do anything other than make me weep for my lost tax dollars, I'll let you know. My main offense/defense is common sense, not burping back government propaganda. And I've encountered enough U of I types to know that common sense is not taught in any classroom in Champaign.

As for rockymtnchief, yeah, he is a nice person - certainly nicer than I am. Maybe he works with retarded orphans all day, which gives him the patience to politely deal with fools like you. I, however, have no tolerance for it.

Nice to know I get under your skin, though. I'll keep it up.
"Personal attack...Personal attack...Personal attack..."

You are the pride of the Alex Jones flock. Gimme your best Champaign accent.

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"Personal attack...Personal attack...Personal attack..."

You are the pride of the Alex Jones flock. Gimme you're best Champaign accent.
I love idiots like you - my personal attacks are mean and awful - yours, however, well, they don't count, do they?

And another thing, punk - you won't see exchanges like this between me and people like Jenson, or jdiddy or GoBowe. I'm respectful to those who are respectful of me, even if I don't agree with them. You douched it up pretty good to get to this point. Maybe you'd do better with smack talk if you didn't absolutely suck at it.
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I love idiots like you - my personal attacks are mean and awful - yours, however, well, they don't count, do they?

And another thing, punk - you won't see exchanges like this between me and people like Jenson, or jdiddy or GoBowe. I'm respectful to those who are respectful of me, even if I don't agree with them. You douched it up pretty good to get to this point. Maybe you'd do better with smack talk if you didn't absolutely suck at it.
Good for them. You sit on one of your testicles today, or are just sensitive because I bitch-slapped your four pistol, AR-15 in trunk belief?

Here's the thing, when I first called you an idiot, it was because you said something ignorant(with a typical frothy mouthed 'tude moreover). When you call me an idiot, it's because of something like where I live which has zero bearing on whether I'm an idiot or not.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:36 AM   #144
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Good for them. You sit on one of your testicles today, or are just sensitive because I bitch-slapped your four pistol, AR-15 in trunk belief?

Here's the thing, when I first called you an idiot, it was because you said something ignorant(with a typical frothy mouthed 'tude moreover). When you call me an idiot, it's because of something like where I live which has zero bearing on whether I'm an idiot or not.
I'll agree with one thing - you'll be an idiot no matter where you go.
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Knocking my dick in the dirt? Good luck with that, you indoctrinated idiot sheep. The next time you do anything other than make me weep for my lost tax dollars, I'll let you know. My main offense/defense is common sense, not burping back government propaganda. And I've encountered enough U of I types to know that common sense is not taught in any classroom in Champaign.

As for rockymtnchief, yeah, he is a nice person - certainly nicer than I am. Maybe he works with retarded orphans all day, which gives him the patience to politely deal with fools like you. I, however, have no tolerance for it.

Nice to know I get under your skin, though. I'll keep it up.
Actually, I have little patience. I just get too fired up and walk away from posting or else I sound like a raving lunatic...or an idiot. Neither end up helping me state my case.

Is there a conspiracy here? Who knows. Either way, the media will bend it to promote their agenda. Either by facts or omission of facts. Same for politicians.
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Actually, I have little patience. I just get too fired up and walk away from posting or else I sound like a raving lunatic...or an idiot. Neither end up helping me state my case.

Is there a conspiracy here? Who knows. Either way, the media will bend it to promote their agenda. Either by facts or omission of facts. Same for politicians.
As you may have noticed, the ability to walk away isn't one of my virtues.
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I'll agree with one thing - you'll be an idiot no matter where you go.
Still not dumber than accusing someone of being a sheep that follows NBC news while basing my opinion solely on a lone report from NBC news. That's "I'm unaware when I poop my pants" dumb. I hope we have entertained. Good day sir, Good day.
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Still not dumber than accusing someone of being a sheep that follows NBC news
You could have just stopped right there. Anything that comes after "follows NBC news" doesn't matter.

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You could have just stopped right there. Anything that comes after "follows NBC news" doesn't matter.

BAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Sure we can stop there. That's what you accused me of which is simply false, and explains why I was unaware of the 4 handgun fallacy. You however, ate that tainted grass up, yum yum! Or how does that go Dolly, baaaa, baaaa?

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