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Old 01-03-2013, 08:36 PM  
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:00 AM   #211
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Dorsey hasn't been picked to visit any other teams yet. Apparently he's a hot commodity, yet no one wants him?

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and say he'll be KC's GM
He's apparently very particular about who he interviews with and what the job entails. He is very loyal to the Packers.

I've heard though that he won't take this job unless he's provided with some actual power on the personnel side, so it will be interesting to see how they work that out. If Reid truly is willing to put his trust in Dorsey and work hand in hand with him, and if they are both reporting to Clark, that would be a great scenario, because it prevents Reid from making blind personnel decisions unchallenged, which would be dangerous. But we'll see.

Dorsey sounds great on paper. Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson disciple. I would have serious concerns about putting him in charge of a franchise, because as I stated after the whole ***** experience, I don't trust guys anymore who stay in one place for so long in a lesser role and turn down opportunities to move up, because at some level I wonder if that means that they are just too comfortable in where they are and too comfortable in their existing role and don't really have a clear plan as to what they would do if given the reigns to a franchise. That's why I wonder if DeCosta would do well elsewhere.

But with Reid essentially being the face of the franchise, it allows Dorsey to basically come in and roll up his sleeves and go to work identifying players. And by all accounts he has a much more open and less arrogant personality than *****. So I have hope that this would be a good fit...
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:09 AM   #212
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He's apparently very particular about who he interviews with and what the job entails. He is very loyal to the Packers.

I've heard though that he won't take this job unless he's provided with some actual power on the personnel side, so it will be interesting to see how they work that out. If Reid truly is willing to put his trust in Dorsey and work hand in hand with him, and if they are both reporting to Clark, that would be a great scenario, because it prevents Reid from making blind personnel decisions unchallenged, which would be dangerous. But we'll see.

Dorsey sounds great on paper. Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson disciple. I would have serious concerns about putting him in charge of a franchise, because as I stated after the whole ***** experience, I don't trust guys anymore who stay in one place for so long in a lesser role and turn down opportunities to move up, because at some level I wonder if that means that they are just too comfortable in where they are and too comfortable in their existing role and don't really have a clear plan as to what they would do if given the reigns to a franchise. That's why I wonder if DeCosta would do well elsewhere.

But with Reid essentially being the face of the franchise, it allows Dorsey to basically come in and roll up his sleeves and go to work identifying players. And by all accounts he has a much more open and less arrogant personality than *****. So I have hope that this would be a good fit...
Well said.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:22 AM   #213
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He's apparently very particular about who he interviews with and what the job entails. He is very loyal to the Packers.

I've heard though that he won't take this job unless he's provided with some actual power on the personnel side, so it will be interesting to see how they work that out. If Reid truly is willing to put his trust in Dorsey and work hand in hand with him, and if they are both reporting to Clark, that would be a great scenario, because it prevents Reid from making blind personnel decisions unchallenged, which would be dangerous. But we'll see.

Dorsey sounds great on paper. Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson disciple. I would have serious concerns about putting him in charge of a franchise, because as I stated after the whole ***** experience, I don't trust guys anymore who stay in one place for so long in a lesser role and turn down opportunities to move up, because at some level I wonder if that means that they are just too comfortable in where they are and too comfortable in their existing role and don't really have a clear plan as to what they would do if given the reigns to a franchise. That's why I wonder if DeCosta would do well elsewhere.

But with Reid essentially being the face of the franchise, it allows Dorsey to basically come in and roll up his sleeves and go to work identifying players. And by all accounts he has a much more open and less arrogant personality than *****. So I have hope that this would be a good fit...
A head coach and a GM working together to ID the best players?!? The hell you say!!
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:27 AM   #214
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Packers exec John Dorsey interviewing with Jets this weekend and has strong shot to get GM job with Andy Reid in KC
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Why would anyone EVER want to join up with the jets? I just dont see the selling points for them like i do with the chiefs???

#1 Draft pick, New head coach? Offense minded team?

Do I smell the Jets interview as leverage for the Chiefs???
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:36 AM   #215
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:37 AM   #216
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Who's to say he isn't waiting till after Packers finish their season first. If they make it to the Superbowl and win, he gets to bring a ring with him. I know if I was him and my team had a shot to win it all, I would wait. If the Chiefs didn't feel he would take he job, they would be continuing negotiations with other candidates and Heckert would have been announced as GM today.

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Old 01-08-2013, 10:38 AM   #217
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Why would anyone EVER want to join up with the jets? I just dont see the selling points for them like i do with the chiefs???

#1 Draft pick, New head coach? Offense minded team?

Do I smell the Jets interview as leverage for the Chiefs???
Ego for the big market is very tempting for many BUT Dorsey is not that kind of guy and it just may be a practice of entertaining particular situations that appeal to him and not to look like he is jumping at the first option only.

But yes leverage as well for sure.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:39 AM   #218
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this guy could be every bit as important a hire as reid...

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Old 01-08-2013, 10:40 AM   #219
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Who's to say he isn't waiting till after Packers finish their season first. If they make it to the Superbowl and win, he gets to bring a ring with him. I know if I was him and my team had a shot to win it all, I would wait. If the Chiefs didn't feel he would take he job, they would be continuing negotiations with other candidates and Heckert would have been announced as GM today.

Just my opinion.
He would get a ring regardless and the Packers already gave him permission so he is free and clear to do whatever.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:41 AM   #220
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More important! Talent is your life blood.


And how you use that talent
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:42 AM   #221
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More important! Talent is your life blood.
Eh, slow down.

Getting a staff in here that can utilize the talent is beyond critical in the modern NFL. All these guys are big, strong and fast. NFL players, by virtue of the fact that they are here at all, are talented.

The head coach and his staff is tasked with getting the most of that talent by either teaching, motivating or utilizing players in ways that maximize that.

No, I disagree completely with you here. In the NFL, the head coach and the staff he is able to assemble is more important than the general manager. They're both critical, but I'd go 60-40 HC.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:50 AM   #222
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This guy has selected so many players I liked over the years, and has really helped load the Packers with talent.

I really liked Cobb as a skill player, and he has just exploded. I also loved Jordy Nelson coming out (homer pick), and he now has a super bowl touchdown on his resume.

The ONLY thing, if there is something, that concerns me, is that the Packers have not been able to get a legitimate RB. Its been a revolving door. Now, Benson had a nice thing going before the foot injury, but still. No talent/depth at that spot.

Luckily, we have a guy named Jamaal
The RB problem stems more from McCarthy's stubbornness to not adequately address the position, IMO. I've been saying for years that if the Packers ever got a speedback to add to the offense, that would be the final ingredient to god mode.

The decisions to draft failures like Brandon Jackson and Alex Greene are very likely more about McCarthy than Thompson or the front office. I find it hard to believe that a front office can do a great job finding talent at EVERY position except for RB, one of the easier positions to pick great players.

Example: the front office picked up DuJuan Harris, who seems to provide the spark that the Packers were missing all of last year from the RB position. McCarthy uses him cleverly out of the backfield, but we have yet to see him really concentrate on establishing the run with him. That's why so many guys get washed up on that offense.

Look at New Orleans. Is Mark Ingram a bad RB? Possibly, but I think it's more glaring that the only guy who finds success on that team is the one with some real wheels (Sproles). It's very likely more about how the offense is designed rather than the players they're bringing in to try and make a difference.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:56 AM   #223
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Eh, slow down.

Getting a staff in here that can utilize the talent is beyond critical in the modern NFL. All these guys are big, strong and fast. NFL players, by virtue of the fact that they are here at all, are talented.

The head coach and his staff is tasked with getting the most of that talent by either teaching, motivating or utilizing players in ways that maximize that.

No, I disagree completely with you here. In the NFL, the head coach and the staff he is able to assemble is more important than the general manager. They're both critical, but I'd go 60-40 HC.
There's a lot of truthy in this deal right here.

We have to start developing our own players. We have to.

The Lost Carr Effect was a great example of what happens when you don't. GMs don't develop players. They help supply the raw material. It's up to the HC and his staff to mold that resource into value ... both on the field and off.

The obvious advantage of having a GM who can properly and ACCURATELY evaluate talent is ... well ... obvious. Not so obvious is what the coaching staff does with them once they sign up. But it's that work which, over time, creates either football dynasties or roving cow patties.

If we were to somehow acquire a GM who can evaluate and an HC who can develop and, somehow by the grace of God, the two can work together, it's an absolute win for those Chiefs fans whose best clothes are now ruined from constant rending and the occasional soggy flatulence.

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Old 01-08-2013, 11:24 AM   #224
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Report: Packers' John Dorsey has interviewed for Chiefs GM job

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1...-chiefs-gm-job

The Kansas City Chiefs GM search is on and Clark Hunt said on Monday that they had already begun the interview process. The reported favorite is John Dorsey, the Green Bay Packers director of operations.

According to a report from NBC 26 in Green Bay, Dorsey has already interviewed with the Chiefs.

The interview reportedly happened on Monday.

Dorsey has family ties to the area and has a relationship with Andy Reid, which is part of the reason people quickly connected him to Kansas City when GM Scott Pioli was fired last Friday.

The other candidate that's come up with Tom Heckert, Reid's former personnel man in Philly. Heckert was most recently the GM of the Cleveland Browns, who fired him on Monday. It's unclear where Heckert stands in the process, if at all.

Reid and Hunt both spoke about the vacant GM position on Monday, indicating that the next GM will have control over the personnel.
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I know not all hires can not be done as quickly after the interview as Reid's was, but if he's the perfect guy for the job and he interviewed yesterday, why aren't we hearing more buzz about this? Did we interview him and are now looking at other candidates? Is he not interested? Are we not interested? Is he still in KC, or back in Green Bay?
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