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Old 01-08-2013, 05:11 PM  
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Early AFC West salary-cap check
January, 8, 2013
By Bill Williamson | ESPN.com

The focus is on 2013 for all but eight teams in the NFL.

Teams will soon be readying for free agency. To get a feel for what teams will have to spend in free agency, ESPNís John Clayton has the current salary-cap numbers.

Please remember all salary-cap numbers are fluid and things change. But this gives you a working idea of where each team stands.

In the AFC West, the best team is in the best cap standing. The Broncos, who host Baltimore on Saturday in the divisional playoff round, are $18.5 million under the cap. They should be able to add some solid pieces if they wish. They do have to either extend or give the franchise tag to standout left tackle Ryan Clady. That will take up some space.

The Chiefs continue to be in good cap health. It is $16.1 million under the cap. It has free agents, receiver Dwayne Bowe, left tackle Branden Albert and punter Dustin Colquitt, to deal with. I think Albert and Colquitt are more likely to return to Kansas City at this point, but it has flexibility.

San Diego is $8.7 million under the cap. It should be enough to get a couple of starters. The Chargers need the most help on the offensive line.

Meanwhile, Oakland is one of 10 teams currently over the salary cap. Oakland is $4.5 million over the cap. It was severely over the cap last season. This year, the Raiders, who will have to address punter Shane Lechler, tight end Brandon Myers and linebacker Philip Wheeler in free agency, will still have to make a lot of tough decisions and will have to tweak some contracts again. But they should be able to do a little more than they did last
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:55 PM   #47
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I agree with everything but this. Rodney Hudson was the most decorated OL at FSU for a reason.

He's gonna be a very solid C for years.
Maybe he will, maybe he won't. We don't know what his knee will bounce back as and he was playing pretty poorly before the injury.

Bring in an established C and then if Hudson comes back healthy, he can play G, where we know he's familiar. At that point you have some versatility if the C gets hurt or loses effectiveness.

If you just bring in a veteran G and Hudson struggles again or doesn't recover from his knee injury that well, you're up shits creek. For the sake of versatility and as a CYA maneuver, I think the interior lineman has to be capable of playing C.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:56 PM   #48
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Maclin and Harvin are both 24 - how are either of them not 'young talent'?

Those are exactly the kinds of guys you would be willing to give away a good pick for. No, you don't give a pick up for a guy like Jennings, but both Harvin and Maclin have 5+ years left in their primes. And they're sure-fire NFL contributors. They've gone through the WR learning curve (which is surprisingly steep) and they fit our need across from Bowe perfectly.

Look, I know we want to stockpile talent and getting rid of picks hurts, but even the best GMs bat .500 on a good day. If you could trade a 2nd rounder for a guy like Harvin or a 3rd for Maclin, you're getting exactly what you're asking for - young talent.

Or you could keep them and get young...something. Maybe it's young talent, maybe it's young roster fodder. It's almost certainly not going to be better than Harvin and the odds suggest it not being better than Maclin.
Harvin's a ****ball and Maclin, IMO, is nothing special.

There's no ****ing way I'd give up the #34 or the #77 for either. Maybe the 4th rounder (somewhere around #110, after the compensatory picks) for Maclin but even then, that pick could provide depth on the interior line or a starting ILB.

Either way, I'm not a fan.
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Old 01-08-2013, 05:58 PM   #49
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Maclin may be available in free agency. He is not worth the franchise tag.
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And even when he was a disgruntled asshole, he was putting up MVP numbers in Minn.

I'm tired of worrying about choir boys. Talent wins in this league and Harvin's as talented as all but maybe 6-8 WRs in the league. People said the same shit about Brandon Marshall but when he got his deal and a little age on him, he's matured into one of the most dynamic playmakers out there.

"Hell no, I don't want that stabby malcontent...blah blah blah" - Oops, Marshall's actually a freakin' boss.

Harvin appears to be a guy that plays with a chip on his shoulder and it shows behind closed doors. He is not, however, a Diva on the field or in public. He has enough self control to keep that in-house for the most part (with leaks from within the Vikings organization making it public). That tells me he's not an unhinged guy, but rather someone that's unhappy with his contract situation and that's about it.

Give him his extension and, like Marshall, I think he straightens up and flies right.

The Migraines are a concern, but he does appear to have learned to cope/manage them well.

I just don't see why he's not worth a pick that has a 50% chance of being a bust and a virtual 100% chance of not being a better player than he is.
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Maclin's under contract for another year.
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I just don't see why he's not worth a pick that has a 50% chance of being a bust and a virtual 100% chance of not being a better player than he is.
Why is Maclin not worth a pick? Well, for one, he put up similar numbers in Philly to that of Steve Breaston (before 2012), with FAR shittier quarterbacks.

Why in the ****ing world would you want to give up a high pick for a guy that gets like 700-900 yards? That's ridiculous.
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Maybe he will, maybe he won't. We don't know what his knee will bounce back as and he was playing pretty poorly before the injury.

Bring in an established C and then if Hudson comes back healthy, he can play G, where we know he's familiar. At that point you have some versatility if the C gets hurt or loses effectiveness.

If you just bring in a veteran G and Hudson struggles again or doesn't recover from his knee injury that well, you're up shits creek. For the sake of versatility and as a CYA maneuver, I think the interior lineman has to be capable of playing C.
I agree. I think it would be very wise for us to draft a C with our 4th round pick. I think that Khaled Holmes or Graham Pocic would be a nice insurance policy and both should be there.

Then again, if Barrett Jones is there at 34, it would be extremely difficult to overlook him. That guy is going to be a pro bowler for years.
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Harvin's a ****ball and Maclin, IMO, is nothing special.

There's no ****ing way I'd give up the #34 or the #77 for either. Maybe the 4th rounder (somewhere around #110, after the compensatory picks) for Maclin but even then, that pick could provide depth on the interior line or a starting ILB.

Either way, I'm not a fan.
How confident are you that Stedman Bailey will be more productive than either of those guys over the next 5 years?

They're established, productive, NFL players with their prime years ahead of them and a ton of skill between them. Maclin was Bailey before Bailey (likely better). Harvin was Austin before Austin (definitely better). And they've both made the NFL transition that trips up so many guys.

Eh, to each their own. If I'm investing in a QB at 1.1 this year, I'm going to want an immediate #2 WR and deep threat alongside Bowe. The 2.1 for Harvin or Maclin essentially guarantees that.
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Maclin's under contract for another year.
I wonder why I thought he was a free agent... Well, I'd rather wait a year than give up a pick for him. Especially in a draft this deep in WR.
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And even when he was a disgruntled asshole, he was putting up MVP numbers in Minn.

I'm tired of worrying about choir boys. Talent wins in this league and Harvin's as talented as all but maybe 6-8 WRs in the league. People said the same shit about Brandon Marshall but when he got his deal and a little age on him, he's matured into one of the most dynamic playmakers out there.

"Hell no, I don't want that stabby malcontent...blah blah blah" - Oops, Marshall's actually a freakin' boss.

Harvin appears to be a guy that plays with a chip on his shoulder and it shows behind closed doors. He is not, however, a Diva on the field or in public. He has enough self control to keep that in-house for the most part (with leaks from within the Vikings organization making it public). That tells me he's not an unhinged guy, but rather someone that's unhappy with his contract situation and that's about it.

Give him his extension and, like Marshall, I think he straightens up and flies right.

The Migraines are a concern, but he does appear to have learned to cope/manage them well.

I just don't see why he's not worth a pick that has a 50% chance of being a bust and a virtual 100% chance of not being a better player than he is.
he choke slammed a coach in college during practice.

He has fought with every NFL coach he has had.

He has migraine issues, he has had multiple other injuries.

Sorry I will pass.

And FTR I agree with you on choir boys, but this guy is out there
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Why is Maclin not worth a pick? Well, for one, he put up similar numbers in Philly to that of Steve Breaston (before 2012), with FAR shittier quarterbacks.

Why in the ****ing world would you want to give up a high pick for a guy that gets like 700-900 yards? That's ridiculous.
His skills.

Granted, I'm a Mizzou fan, but do you remember Maclin in college and coming out? He was as electric as anyone out there. Those skills haven't deteriorated. He's still incredibly explosive in and out of his cuts and can get behind most secondaries.

I honestly think his problem in Philly is DeSean Jackson. They have Jackson running the routes that Maclin would be best at and they have Maclin running the patterns that you want someone like Bowe running. I think Maclin alongside Bowe would be one of the best #2 WRs in football and would provide a huge boost to everyone on the offense by spreading the field.

Bailey is not more physically gifted than Maclin - he just isn't. So I see nothing to suggest that Bailey would be better than Maclin at this level other than the unknown which captivates us every draft season.
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How confident are you that Stedman Bailey will be more productive than either of those guys over the next 5 years?

They're established, productive, NFL players with their prime years ahead of them and a ton of skill between them. Maclin was Bailey before Bailey (likely better). Harvin was Austin before Austin (definitely better). And they've both made the NFL transition that trips up so many guys.

Eh, to each their own. If I'm investing in a QB at 1.1 this year, I'm going to want an immediate #2 WR and deep threat alongside Bowe. The 2.1 for Harvin or Maclin essentially guarantees that.
So, Breaston and Baldwin aren't number 2 threats in Reid's offense? Wiley was fast as **** at The Combines and seems to have decent hands.

The Chiefs, IMO, have far greater needs with their high picks than a ****ing 2nd WR. They need a starter at CB, safety, ILB in addition to depth everywhere. I'd also like to see them take a developmental QB with their compensatory pick or their 4th rounder.

Maclin is a luxury the Chiefs can't afford this year. Plus, again, I don't think he's anything special. And **** Harvin.
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