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displacedinMN · 09:32 AM

This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get.
This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts.

Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre
By Jana Hollingsworth
Duluth News Tribune
Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST

A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university.

Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact.

UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university.

Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless.

Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama,
in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook."

Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel."

The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment."

Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university.

"There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability."

Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said.

But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website.

"For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view."

"I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous."

Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006.

He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks.

As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us."

Cannibal · 01-08-2013, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Can we just sum this all up by saying that anyone who thinks that "the govt" had anything to do with sending Adam Lanza to shoot to his mom, then to drive to a school to shoot up a first grade class, is a ****ing idiot?

Yes, we most certainly can.

**LiveSteam** · 01-08-2013, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

Yes, we most certainly can.

SHEEP!

Cannibal · 01-08-2013, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

SHEEP!

pillowbitergot

**LiveSteam** · 01-08-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannibal

pillowbitergot

So your finally coming out of the closet? If you had a father I would feel sorry for him. Gay boy

cosmo20002 · 01-08-2013, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

SHEEP!

So, you are in agreement with the video, or not? Are you calling CoMo a dumbass? Because he most certainly believes it was either a planned govt job and/or the deaths were actually faked. And while Spazod isn't completely sure yet, he does think it is possible it was a govt job.

**LiveSteam** · 01-08-2013, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

So, you are in agreement with the video, or not? Are you calling CoMo a dumbass? Because he most certainly believes it was either a planned govt job and/or the deaths were actually faked. And while Spazod isn't completely sure yet, he does think it is possible it was a govt job.

I dnt know what believe & thats my problem.
Way to many inconsistencies with this shooting. A second man cuffed. yet no one knows what happened to him. Their was a rifle, their wasn't a rifle. 2 hand guns, then 4 hand guns. Ive heard Eric Holder was there. not sure if that true or not. The hole stinks just like F&F & Benghazi. But hey its all just coincidence right

**LiveSteam** · 01-08-2013, 09:03 PM

Look Cosmo we all no you love Obama Holder Clintons ect. You ****ing idolize them. I also know if any one of them walked up to you,and told you that your mother was a ****ing BIG FOOT. You would run home & scream at your mom. MOM! WHY DIDNT YOU TELL ME YOU WERE SASQUATCH.

cosmo20002 · 01-08-2013, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I dnt know what believe & thats my problem.
Way to many inconsistencies with this shooting. A second man cuffed. yet no one knows what happened to him. Their was a rifle, their wasn't a rifle. 2 hand guns, then 4 hand guns. Ive heard Eric Holder was there. not sure if that true or not. The hole stinks just like F&F & Benghazi. But hey its all just coincidence right

Inconsistencies come from multiple media sources all trying to be first in the midst of a choatic situation. It does not = a government-sponsored slaughter (or a fake slaughter). Hell, if it was a pre-planned operation with an agenda, I'd tend to think there wouldn't be any reported inconsistencies--that it would be so crystal clear what happened that no one could argue with it.

cosmo20002 · 01-08-2013, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

Look Cosmo we all no you love Obama Holder Clintons ect. You ****ing idolize them. I also know if any one of them walked up to you,and told you that your mother was a ****ing BIG FOOT. You would run home & scream at your mom. MOM! WHY DIDNT YOU TELL ME YOU WERE SASQUATCH.

Yeah, you nailed it. Stop being retarded.

BucEyedPea · 01-08-2013, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Inconsistencies come from multiple media sources all trying to be first in the midst of a choatic situation. It does not = a government-sponsored slaughter (or a fake slaughter). Hell, if it was a pre-planned operation with an agenda, I'd tend to think there wouldn't be any reported inconsistencies--that it would be so crystal clear what happened that no one could argue with it.

Does this include the police department threatening to arrest social media for reporting the inconsistencies? I don't recall that happening in the Casey Anthony case.

**LiveSteam** · 01-08-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Does this include the police department threatening to arrest social media for reporting the inconsistencies? I don't recall that happening in the Casey Anthony case.

I just posted that vid BEP

Was Holder there shortly after or not? Can anyone answer me that question?

cosmo20002 · 01-08-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Does this include the police department threatening to arrest social media for reporting the inconsistencies? I don't recall that happening in the Casey Anthony case.

I'm glad to say that I have no idea what you are talking about. Someone was going to place Twitter under arrest? Calling you a nutjob isn't an ad hominem if it is based on the fact that your assertions are, in fact, batshit crazy.

BucEyedPea · 01-08-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LiveSteam

I just posted that vid BEP

Oh, I came in starting at the end and saw that first. I didn't see you put up the video.

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Was Holder there shortly after or not? Can anyone answer me that question?

I dunno. I just thought it was odd. Even Facebook issued a warning they'd suspend FB accounts if it continued. Big Brother is watching.

BucEyedPea · 01-08-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

I'm glad to say that I have no idea what you are talking about. Someone was going to place Twitter under arrest?

You shouldn't be glad since it shows you are seriously uninformed about the matter.

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Calling you a nutjob isn't an ad hominem if it is based on the fact that your assertions are, in fact, batshit crazy.

No it's an ad hominem because you cannot refute or articulate and argument so you resort to logical fallacies. It has more to do with you lacking certain abilities. I don't care what you think of me.

**LiveSteam** · 01-08-2013, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20002

Yeah, you nailed it. Stop being retarded.

Im not being retarded
You love your party, I hate your party. I also hate the GOP

01-05-2013, 09:26 AM
displacedinMN Veteran Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Correcting papers Casino cash: $21096	Newtown shooting theory-the government did it. This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get. This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts. Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre By Jana Hollingsworth Duluth News Tribune Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings. In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university. Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact. UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university. Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless. Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama, in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook." Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel." The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment." Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university. "There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability." Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said. But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website. "For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view." "I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous." Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006. He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks. As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us." Last edited by displacedinMN; 01-05-2013 at 09:32 AM..
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LiveSteam All aboard the crazy train Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: homeof43conferencetitles Casino cash: $63969	Look Cosmo we all no you love Obama Holder Clintons ect. You **ing idolize them. I also know if any one of them walked up to you,and told you that your mother was a **ing BIG FOOT. You would run home & scream at your mom. MOM! WHY DIDNT YOU TELL ME YOU WERE SASQUATCH.
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