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Old 01-08-2013, 08:25 PM  
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It's about time we do something about Notre Dame

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http://www.faniq.com/blog/Notre-Dame...nce-Blog-60220

Last night, Notre Dame got absolutely obliterated by Alabama in the BCS title game. Just like I said they would. More than once.

This should have come as a surprise to exactly no one.

No matter how anyone tries to hype up Notre Dame's regular season schedule, there's not a chance in hell that they actually proved that they deserved their #1 ranking.

They stumbled into the #1 spot by default, because great SEC football teams beat other great SEC football teams.

Alabama's only loss was to fellow SEC powerhouse Texas A&M.
Georgia's only losses were to Alabama and South Carolina, both from the SEC.
Texas A&M lost a couple nail-biters to fellow SEC schools Florida and LSU.
South Carolina's only losses were also to Florida and LSU.
Before losing their bowl games, Florida and LSU had only lost to SEC teams.

All 6 of those teams could be considered among the top 10 teams in the country. And they all had to play several games against each other, because they're in an elite conference loaded with talent.

Other teams in top conferences have stretches of 6 to 8 games in a row in which they have to play top level teams.

Then, if they're fortunate enough to have a successful season, they have to play a conference championship game, which essentially amounts to one additional game against an elite team.

Notre Dame, thanks to their independent status, doesn't have to worry about that.

They can schedule their annual cakewalks against service academies and their "rivalry" with fellow Catholic school Boston College. They can use their other "rivalry" game against USC to pad their strength of schedule, and hope that no one notices that USC finished the season unranked and was one of the most overrated teams in the country.

They can play close games against mediocre teams like Purdue, Pitt, BYU, and Michigan, and still manage to default their way into the the National Championship game.

Let's ignore the fact that Georgia and Alabama were both far better teams, but had to play each other in the SEC Championship, essentially eliminating one of them.

If there was an 8-team playoff, Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by the #8 team, who would have been South Carolina, the 4th-best SEC team.

If you look at Notre Dame's recent bowl history, it's clear that they've benefited from their delusional (but large) fan base, and the fact that they haven't needed to actually win a conference to get into a BCS bowl.

Notre Dame has lost 11 of their last 13 bowl games.

They're 0-4 in BCS bowls (including last night's championship), and lost those 4 games by a combined score of 158-57.

That's right. Notre Dame has lost their 4 BCS bowl games by an average of 25 points per game.

Is there any doubt that they're being overrated and overhyped coming into bowl games?


The solution:

The NCAA should ban Notre Dame (and every other independent team, for fairness' sake) from bowl games until they join a conference.

It's absolutely insane that Notre Dame gets to play by a completely different set of rules than every other team, but still gets treated as if their undefeated record is just as impressive as another undefeated team.

Until the Irish have to go through a legitimate conference schedule and win a conference championship game, they'll continue to be placed in bowl games that they don't deserve. They'll continue to get blown out by teams that earned their bowl bid the hard way, and they'll steal BCS spots from far more deserving teams who had far more difficult roads to the postseason.

Until the NCAA forces Notre Dame's hand, fans will continue to suffer through these atrocities. It's simply not right, and fans deserve better.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:31 PM   #16
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Notre Dame didn't make it because the SEC beat up on each other. They made it because Kansas State and Oregon lost.

Oh....and go **** yourself.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:33 PM   #17
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As someone who doesn't watch much college football, I have no problem with ND being in the NCG. If Oregon and KState or Georgia wanted to be in it, well, don't have huge lapses in your most important games.


Oh, and I loath ND entirely.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:44 PM   #18
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But but but look at the murderers row Bama faced.

Arkansas 2-6 conference
Ole Miss 3-5 conference
Missouri 2-6 conference
Tennessee 1-7 conference
#11 Miss. St 4-4 conference
#5 LSU 6-2 conference
#15 Texas A&M 6-2 conference
Auburn 0-8 conference

So to play in their conference champ game, they played 2 teams with WINNING conference records. Look deeper, 12-36 conference opp record when you exclude LSU and Ass to mouth. Included Bama still played a conference opp record of 24-40. Quite the murderous row to drive through.
You get past the few good teams at the top and the rest of the SEC is pretty mediocre. Same as any other conference.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:47 PM   #19
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:58 PM   #20
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Every conference beats their own conference up, all teams play such a light out of conference schedule that it isn't likely that they would lose anything but in conference games. Unless they are really bad, of course.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:13 PM   #21
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that game last night summed up an earlier point I made about college football on this board

IT SUCKS because there is little parity

BIG GAME = BIG BLOWOUTS most of the time...I actually enjoyed the A&M blowout because Manziel is great...but last night's game blew. It was awful. Last years NC blew. The one before that sucked. The Colt McCoy got injured game was terrible.

doesn't happen that often in the Super Bowl

last years Super Bowl was TREMENDOUS, the Packers Super Bowl was a great game, in fact...

I can't really remember the last non-entertaining Super Bowl
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:14 PM   #22
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I love the whole..."Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by South Carolina" bullshit. Really? The same South Carolina that barely beat Michigan.....the team that the Irish already beat?

****ing rampant SEC homerism.
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Old 01-08-2013, 11:17 PM   #23
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the game kind of butterflied after that could've been muffed punt but still

awful, terrible, boring spotlight game

seems to happen more often than not in college football

that and the fact you filter players in and out every year...I just can't cheer for college athletics. No fun for me. I love basketball march madness, though. Awesome.

but I've always been a pro guy so I realize some people are different

JUST LIKE PARITY
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:36 AM   #24
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SEC homers won't be happy until the SEC is the only conference allowed to play in the championship game. I'm so damn sick of hearing about the greatness of the SEC. Alabama had a cakewalk this year.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:42 AM   #25
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I love the whole..."Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by South Carolina" bullshit. Really? The same South Carolina that barely beat Michigan.....the team that the Irish already beat?

****ing rampant SEC homerism.
That's some piss poor logic.

Texas A&M handed bama their only loss of the season, but that doesn't mean they would of rolled ND 50-0.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:27 AM   #26
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I think your hatred of the pro-SEC reporting is getting in the way of the article's point.

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Every conference beats their own conference up, all teams play such a light out of conference schedule that it isn't likely that they would lose anything but in conference games. Unless they are really bad, of course.
That is EXACTLY the point of the article. ND gets to pick and choose who they play, rather than being forced to run a gauntlet through a conference. USC is the only team of any merit that they play. Maybe Michigan.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:28 AM   #27
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You get past the few good teams at the top and the rest of the SEC is pretty mediocre. Same as any other conference.

Nine out of the 12 SEC teams had winning seasons. That's pretty good. In conference play, there were clearly tiers of teams. Florida, Georgia, LSU, Alabama, A&M. Then, coming down to South Carolina and a suprising Vanderbilt. Then you just had some teams that did not match up at all in the SEC, like Arkansas, Kentucky, Auburn, Missouri, and Tennessee. But even those bottom tier teams were 14-6 when playing outside the conference.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:34 AM   #28
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I have no problem, absolutely none, watching Notre Damn get annihilated in the BCS National Championship. I can watch that again next year.
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Old 01-09-2013, 04:38 AM   #29
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I have no problem, absolutely none, watching Notre Damn get annihilated in the BCS National Championship. I can watch that again next year.
Ha! I kind of agree with you. I've been a Notre Dame hater for years, although it's really more disliking the constant Notre Dame coverage, even when they have a 6-5 record. So, I lightened up on them this year; considering they were undefeated I at least understood the coverage.

As the game to end the season, I would rather watch a good game, like Oregan-K.State.

At least in a playoff system we get more well-matched games.
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Notre Dame didn't make it because the SEC beat up on each other. They made it because Kansas State and Oregon lost.

Oh....and go **** yourself.
This argument is complete bullshit!!! Tell me why TCU or Boise State hasn't gone to the big game when going undefeated??? Explain that to everyone....dumbass
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