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Old 01-08-2013, 09:25 PM  
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It's about time we do something about Notre Dame

Agree? Disagree? This is worthy of debate:


http://www.faniq.com/blog/Notre-Dame...nce-Blog-60220

Last night, Notre Dame got absolutely obliterated by Alabama in the BCS title game. Just like I said they would. More than once.

This should have come as a surprise to exactly no one.

No matter how anyone tries to hype up Notre Dame's regular season schedule, there's not a chance in hell that they actually proved that they deserved their #1 ranking.

They stumbled into the #1 spot by default, because great SEC football teams beat other great SEC football teams.

Alabama's only loss was to fellow SEC powerhouse Texas A&M.
Georgia's only losses were to Alabama and South Carolina, both from the SEC.
Texas A&M lost a couple nail-biters to fellow SEC schools Florida and LSU.
South Carolina's only losses were also to Florida and LSU.
Before losing their bowl games, Florida and LSU had only lost to SEC teams.

All 6 of those teams could be considered among the top 10 teams in the country. And they all had to play several games against each other, because they're in an elite conference loaded with talent.

Other teams in top conferences have stretches of 6 to 8 games in a row in which they have to play top level teams.

Then, if they're fortunate enough to have a successful season, they have to play a conference championship game, which essentially amounts to one additional game against an elite team.

Notre Dame, thanks to their independent status, doesn't have to worry about that.

They can schedule their annual cakewalks against service academies and their "rivalry" with fellow Catholic school Boston College. They can use their other "rivalry" game against USC to pad their strength of schedule, and hope that no one notices that USC finished the season unranked and was one of the most overrated teams in the country.

They can play close games against mediocre teams like Purdue, Pitt, BYU, and Michigan, and still manage to default their way into the the National Championship game.

Let's ignore the fact that Georgia and Alabama were both far better teams, but had to play each other in the SEC Championship, essentially eliminating one of them.

If there was an 8-team playoff, Notre Dame would have gotten rolled by the #8 team, who would have been South Carolina, the 4th-best SEC team.

If you look at Notre Dame's recent bowl history, it's clear that they've benefited from their delusional (but large) fan base, and the fact that they haven't needed to actually win a conference to get into a BCS bowl.

Notre Dame has lost 11 of their last 13 bowl games.

They're 0-4 in BCS bowls (including last night's championship), and lost those 4 games by a combined score of 158-57.

That's right. Notre Dame has lost their 4 BCS bowl games by an average of 25 points per game.

Is there any doubt that they're being overrated and overhyped coming into bowl games?


The solution:

The NCAA should ban Notre Dame (and every other independent team, for fairness' sake) from bowl games until they join a conference.

It's absolutely insane that Notre Dame gets to play by a completely different set of rules than every other team, but still gets treated as if their undefeated record is just as impressive as another undefeated team.

Until the Irish have to go through a legitimate conference schedule and win a conference championship game, they'll continue to be placed in bowl games that they don't deserve. They'll continue to get blown out by teams that earned their bowl bid the hard way, and they'll steal BCS spots from far more deserving teams who had far more difficult roads to the postseason.

Until the NCAA forces Notre Dame's hand, fans will continue to suffer through these atrocities. It's simply not right, and fans deserve better.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:49 AM   #61
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To me, 4 is enough and anything more than 8 would be awful.
4 really isn't any different than what we have now.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:54 AM   #62
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There should be no independent teams. Everyone needs to be on the same playing field.
There is no such thing as a level playing field. There are strong conferences, weak conferences, independents, conferences with championship games, conferences without championship games, teams that play strong non-cons, teams that play weak non-cons, etc.
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Old 01-09-2013, 09:54 AM   #63
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Terrible article.

ND had the highest computer ranking in the nation, so SoS wasn't an issue. Padding their schedule with USC? Hindsight is awesome. If it was so easy being independent, we wouldn't be arguing about it for the first time in 25 years. The SoS thing comes up just about every year... it has nothing to do with independent teams.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:03 AM   #64
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4 really isn't any different than what we have now.
Sure it is.

In 2006 only OSU, UF, and Michigan were discussed as title-worth and then there are the "individuals" who wanted Boise St too. (3-4 teams)

2007 was a complete mess, even with an 8-team playoff.

In 2008 there were only 4 teams with 1-loss or less (Boise State excluded since they lost to undefeated Utah). (4 teams)

In 2009 there were 5 undefeated teams - Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, TCU, and Boise State.

In 2010 there were only 3 undefeated teams. (3 teams)

In 2011 there were only 4 1-loss or less teams (1-loss Boise State & Houston excluded). (4 teams)

Does a 4 team playoff solve everything? No. But, in most years it's enough - and those years where it may seem like more is needed it's debatable.
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:09 AM   #65
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16 - No Way

8 - Maybe, but it might let in team that shouldn't be there (sound familiar?), and it would lessen the importance of the season. I would love to have 3 weeks of college playoffs, though!

4- Good Start
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:09 AM   #66
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Sure it is.

In 2006 only OSU, UF, and Michigan were discussed as title-worth and then there are the "individuals" who wanted Boise St too. (3-4 teams)

2007 was a complete mess, even with an 8-team playoff.

In 2008 there were only 4 teams with 1-loss or less (Boise State excluded since they lost to undefeated Utah). (4 teams)

In 2009 there were 5 undefeated teams - Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, TCU, and Boise State.

In 2010 there were only 3 undefeated teams. (3 teams)

In 2011 there were only 4 1-loss or less teams (1-loss Boise State & Houston excluded). (4 teams)

Does a 4 team playoff solve everything? No. But, in most years it's enough - and those years where it may seem like more is needed it's debatable.
The problem is that a 4-team playoff is fine when you look at the FIRST ROUND matchups, but mathematically 4 teams isn't enough to create good SECOND ROUND matchups.

Who wouldn't want to see Alabama, Georgia, Louisville, Oregon, Texas A&M, and Stanford in a playoff right now?
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:13 AM   #67
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Who wouldn't want to see Alabama, Georgia, Louisville, Oregon, Texas A&M, and Stanford in a playoff right now?

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Old 01-09-2013, 10:13 AM   #68
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The problem is that a 4-team playoff is fine when you look at the FIRST ROUND matchups, but mathematically 4 teams isn't enough to create good SECOND ROUND matchups.

Who wouldn't want to see Alabama, Georgia, Louisville, Oregon, Texas A&M, and Stanford in a playoff right now?
You can't look at it that way. You have to look at it prior to the bowls. If you had a true 8-team playoff, Louisville & Florida would never have played.

The 4-team playoff this year would have been:

Notre Dame v. Oregon
Alabama v. Florida

2nd round probably would have been Oregon v. Alabama.

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Old 01-09-2013, 10:13 AM   #69
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Because they were the only undefeated team this year?
Not talking about this year...I'm not a Boise State fan but they are in a conference of which they've won and gone undefeated numerous years yet never given a shot at the title. I admit their schedule has been as cupcake as ND's in the past but that still doesn't explain it...
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Old 01-09-2013, 10:14 AM   #70
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You can't look at it that way. You have to look at it prior to the bowls. If you had a true 8-team playoff, Louisville & Florida would never have played.

The 4-team playoff this year would have been:

Notre Dame v. Oregon
Alabama v. Florida

2nd round probably would have been Oregon v. Alabama.

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What about Kansas State?!
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Not talking about this year...I'm not a Boise State fan but they are in a conference of which they've won and gone undefeated numerous years yet never given a shot at the title. I admit their schedule has been as cupcake as ND's in the past but that still doesn't explain it...
Yes it does.
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You can't look at it that way. You have to look at it prior to the bowls. If you had a true 8-team playoff, Louisville & Florida would never have played.

The 4-team playoff this year would have been:

Notre Dame v. Oregon
Alabama v. Florida

2nd round probably would have been Oregon v. Alabama.

Win.
Right, and one could argue with hindsight that Florida should have never been there, based on what happened with Louisville.

Sure, Alabama vs. Oregon would have been more entertaining than ND vs. Bama was. But those 2 hypothetical first round games STINK.
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Meh. At the end of the season A&M and Louisville both had two losses. K-State would have been the only 1-loss (debatable deserving) team left out and, consequently, they'd be the only 1-loss team that was 1) blown out and 2) blown out by an unranked team.
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You can't look at it that way. You have to look at it prior to the bowls. If you had a true 8-team playoff, Louisville & Florida would never have played.

The 4-team playoff this year would have been:

Notre Dame v. Oregon
Alabama v. Florida

2nd round probably would have been Oregon v. Alabama.

Win.
This....
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Just baiting ya, buddy. They obviously didn't deserve to be in a playoff.
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