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Old 01-08-2013, 07:59 PM  
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Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall

http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/

For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:43 AM   #196
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I just don't see Tyler Wilson lasting that long after workouts and he shows off that arm.

Not with this many teams needing QB.

US, Jax, Oak, Buff, Arizona.
I'm not saying he would either.

I'm just saying that if the Chiefs do decide they prefer Wilson and their research shows that the QB's aren't going top 5 then they MUST have a plan/trade in place to jump back up.

we have the 2nd pick of the 2nd round.

So we would have to trade back up 15-20 slots

I don't know what that would take in terms of trade.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:44 AM   #197
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And after that there are about 12 teams that don't need one...
There are also teams like SD and DAL that could draft a QB because their starters are on the downhill side of their career.

Vikings could too, they don't have shit.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:53 AM   #198
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Enough hype, and anything can happen. LT Jake Long (whom I wanted for us at the time) appeared to be one we could pick at 5. But he went at 1.
Are you suggesting that Jake Long would have been a good candidate to trade up to select at #1?
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:53 AM   #199
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There are also teams like SD and DAL that could draft a QB because their starters are on the downhill side of their career.

Vikings could too, they don't have shit.
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Old 01-09-2013, 11:58 AM   #200
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Are you suggesting that Jake Long would have been a good candidate to trade up to select at #1?
No, I'm saying his value was around 5. But Miami with a need for LT took him at 1. Suppose Miami was that enamored with him and were picking 7th. They would have perhaps traded up to get him. I know with Clady in the same draft they probably wouldn't have. But who's this draft's Clady?

So basically I'm saying there just might be someone who falls in love with Joeckel and offer us a good trade down value.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:03 PM   #201
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No, I'm saying his value was around 5. But Miami with a need for LT took him at 1. Suppose Miami was that enamored with him and were picking 7th. They would have perhaps traded up to get him. I know with Clady in the same draft they probably wouldn't have. But who's this draft's Clady?

So basically I'm saying there just might be someone who falls in love with Joeckel and offer us a good trade down value.
So, where do you see Geno Smith?

Is he a guy you would take at #5 overall?

At #7 overall?

Where would you be comfortable taking him?
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:11 PM   #202
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:13 PM   #203
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So, where do you see Geno Smith?

Is he a guy you would take at #5 overall?

At #7 overall?

Where would you be comfortable taking him?
Pending combines? Right now I think I can live with getting him in the 5-7 range. But my general point is it's a mistake for us to consider Geno the end all. If we could, say, get someone's 2nd and/or their next year's 1st, I'd be happy to risk not getting Geno and going for Wilson or even Glennon later. Or if Murray had come out, him.

The one thing I like about the Patriot Way is they always build up high picks for their future drafts.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:15 PM   #204
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That's not a red flag. That's a straight-up black ball.

Do NOT draft this douche.
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That's not a red flag. That's a straight-up black ball.

Do NOT draft this douche.
That's Setsuna's boy right there
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a freaking tackle... the one thing you can always count on this time of year is BS speculation full of fail.
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Pending combines? Right now I think I can live with getting him in the 5-7 range. But my general point is it's a mistake for us to consider Geno the end all. If we could, say, get someone's 2nd and/or their next year's 1st, I'd be happy to risk not getting Geno and going for Wilson or even Glennon later. Or if Murray had come out, him.

The one thing I like about the Patriot Way is they always build up high picks for their future drafts.
If a QB is worth taking at 5 to 7, then he's worth taking at #1.

You don't take the #1 LT ahead of him.
You don't take the #1 pass rusher ahead of him.
You don't take the #1 CB ahead of him.

And you sure as hell don't take the #1 MLB/ILB ahead of him.

If he's the #1 QB, and you have him rated as the #5, 6, 7 rated prospect, you take him at #1, because the value of QB is so much greater than any position in team sports.

The Dolphins should be kicking themselves in the balls every day for selecting Jake Long ahead of Matt Ryan.

And the Patriot way, since the guys that Pete Carroll drafted have aged and moved on, has netted them exactly 0 SB wins.
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Old 01-09-2013, 12:26 PM   #208
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Pending combines? Right now I think I can live with getting him in the 5-7 range. But my general point is it's a mistake for us to consider Geno the end all. If we could, say, get someone's 2nd and/or their next year's 1st, I'd be happy to risk not getting Geno and going for Wilson or even Glennon later. Or if Murray had come out, him.

The one thing I like about the Patriot Way is they always build up high picks for their future drafts.
You'd risk missing out on the best QB prospect for a 2nd round pick?
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You'd risk missing out on the best QB prospect for a 2nd round pick?
That's like trading sex with Natalie Portman for a bologna sandwich, simply because you'd rather have sex with Mila Kunis than Natalie Portman.
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If there is a QB that is a top 10 talent, and you have the #1 pick, you take him #1.

Not sure what is so difficult to understand about that.
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