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Old 01-03-2013, 12:01 AM  
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Illinois trying to go full batshit crazy on guns

Because if we make everyone who owns a gun a felon then that will stop the felons who own guns in Chicago from shooting each other.....

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Both Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel on Wednesday night praised an Illinois Senate committee's approval of a ban on assault weapons and high-capacity ammunition magazines.

In a party-line vote, the committee approved measures that would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles, but would allow current owners to keep them. High-capacity ammunition magazines would be restricted.

Quinn said he is very pleased the Public Health Committee took the step.

"There is no place in Illinois for weapons designed to rapidly fire at human targets at close range," he said.

In a statement, Emanuel said in order to protect children, families and communities, there is a need for "common-sense laws that provide the residents of our cities with the safety they deserve."

Gun rights groups, however, said the measures go too far and amount to an assault-weapons ban "on steroids."

Democrats are seeking restrictions in the wake of the school massacre in Connecticut last month and mass shootings in Wisconsin and Colorado last year. While the measures were approved by the committe, supporters will have a tougher sell in the full Senate, where downstate Democrats as well as Republicans are more pro-gun.

One measure would ban the possession, delivery, sale and transfer of semiautomatic handguns and rifles. People who currently own such weapons could keep them but would have to register them. The bill would allow semiautomatic weapons to be used at shooting ranges, but those facilities would be regulated.

National Rifle Association lobbyist Todd Vandermyde told lawmakers the bill would restrict about 75 percent of handguns and 50 percent of long guns in circulation today. He also said it would treat law-abiding gun owners like criminals, and is in conflict with Second Amendment rights upheld by the courts.

"I've never seen a piece of legislation that tramples on so many court decisions," Vandermyde said.

The bill's sponsor, Sen. Antonio "Tony" Munoz, disagreed.

"For everyone that says that we're taking away their rights, well then go to the range," the Chicago Democrat told members of the Senate Public Health Committee.

The second proposal would limit ammunition magazines and other "ammunition feeding devices" to 10 or fewer rounds. A similar measure received Senate approval in 2007, but the bill's sponsor, Sen. Dan Kotowski, downplayed the idea that a separate effort on shells stood a better chance of passage than the ban on weapons.

"The reason why I'm focusing on that is because (high) magazine capacity has led to the increased lethality and the dangers associated with automatic weapons," the Park Ridge Democrat said.

Gov. Pat Quinn, a Democrat, called for an assault-weapons ban in August after a mass shooting at a Colorado movie theater. But he took the approach -- highly unpopular with legislators -- of rewriting a fairly innocuous bill covering ammunition purchases, substituting language on semiautomatic weapons.

That failed when the General Assembly voted to override his amendatory veto, but mostly because lawmakers thought Quinn had overstepped his authority.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:38 PM   #106
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Was there anything else? That grass won't mow itself, you know.
that may not be entirely accurate.... (what movie is that from huh?)



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Old 01-09-2013, 01:39 PM   #107
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Aren't you cute as you tap dance around the subject. What a pussy.

It's a simple question - so simple even a raging moron like you should be answer to it.
It's not tap dancing. I realize you don't have the mental capability to recognize a faulty premise, but others do. Your false choice doesn't bolster your arguments. It weakens them.

Go ahead and declare that you're "owning" me again though. It's cute that you're so incompetent that you don't realize that you're incompetent.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:43 PM   #108
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I wouldn't read too much in that recognition yet. Madigan (**** Attorney General and rabid gun hater) is doing and will do everything in her power to get the CC ruling either struck down or so loaded with bullshit (see NYC gun laws) that it will basically be impossible for the average citizen to conceal carry. I have little doubt Chicago will find a way to effectively restrict it. It remains to be seen how this will play out in the rest of the state.
it's just so shocking and illogical to me that when a tragic shooting occurs the knee jerk reaction is to start putting in more fire arm restrictions. this crap will only affect law abiding citizens. just so so STUPID.

I wish just one person (maybe a CCW person....maybe not) in that school had disobeyed the rules and had a gun in their britches. sure, would have been a small chance, but a chance none the less.

where I live I think there's a pretty good chance that someone would have been packing in the batman movie.
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Old 01-09-2013, 01:43 PM   #109
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It's not tap dancing. I realize you don't have the mental capability to recognize a faulty premise, but others do. Your false choice doesn't bolster your arguments. It weakens them.

Go ahead and declare that you're "owning" me again though. It's cute that you're so incompetent that you don't realize that you're incompetent.
Are you afraid to answer the question? Did you get knocked up or something?
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:28 PM   #110
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where I live I think there's a pretty good chance that someone would have been packing in the batman movie.
Where I live it is a certainty.
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Old 01-09-2013, 02:31 PM   #111
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Are you afraid to answer the question? Did you get knocked up or something?
Typical. Once you get blown out of the water, resort to insults. Bravo skip.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:37 PM   #112
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Typical. Once you get blown out of the water, resort to insults. Bravo skip.
This one's got your name on it.

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Because it is the same mindless tactic that IT follows. Wait for someone else to expose their ideological flank then pounce. Never, ever, say what you think first. That way there is no way for you to lose the argument. You can always craft your position based on what the other person says first. It only works when and only when they open up first. I see you still haven't sounded off on whether you think this is true or not. Very intellectual of you...
And I have been blown out of the water, but it was by your mom near the beach.
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Old 01-09-2013, 05:50 PM   #113
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This one's got your name on it.



And I have been blown out of the water, but it was by your mom near the beach.
Wow lame mom jokes now. You're such a great debater frazzled.

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Because it is the same mindless tactic that IT follows. Wait for someone else to expose their ideological flank then pounce. Never, ever, say what you think first. That way there is no way for you to lose the argument. You can always craft your position based on what the other person says first. It only works when and only when they open up first. I see you still haven't sounded off on whether you think this is true or not. Very intellectual of you...
And as far as this is concerned, do you not understand why someone would not want to answer your loaded question? Just because you want to rely on logical fallacies and not actually debate anything, doesn't mean others do.

None of this is surprising though especially when we remember that you are the same dumbass that thinks NFL games are fixed.
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What's there to debate? You don't have a position - you just snipe the positions of others and pull pussy excuses out of your ass when cornered. What a sad little clown you are.
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Old 01-09-2013, 06:01 PM   #115
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What's there to debate? You don't have a position - you just snipe the positions of others and pull pussy excuses out of your ass when cornered. What a sad little clown you are.
Cornered? Just stop it. Using logical fallacies corners no one.

My 6 year old comes up with better arguments than you.
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Cornered? Just stop it. Using logical fallacies corners no one.

My 6 year old comes up with better arguments than you.
Okay. I'll give you a chance to stop being a gutless bitch. State your position on a matter. Hell, any matter. All any of us know for sure is that you tend to really hate things that make sense.
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Okay. I'll give you a chance to stop being a gutless bitch. State your position on a matter. Hell, any matter. All any of us know for sure is that you tend to really hate things that make sense.
I've stated my position on many things including the gun control issues but you've ignored them so you can argue against whatever you've made up.
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I've stated my position on many things including the gun control issues but you've ignored them so you can argue against whatever you've made up.
That's funny, considering your average post is either a cryptic insult or a half-baked declaration of intellectual superiority.

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That's funny, considering your average post is either a cryptic insult or a half-baked declaration of intellectual superiority.

Cryptic? LOL My insults are far from cryptic.
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