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Old 01-05-2013, 08:26 AM  
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Newtown shooting theory-the government did it.

This was in the St. Paul paper this morning. I don't know how much press it will get.
This will make everyone throw up. This guy must be completely nuts.


Retired UMD professor theorizes that government behind Newtown massacre
By Jana Hollingsworth
Duluth News Tribune
Posted: 01/04/2013 12:01:00 AM CST
Updated: 01/04/2013 06:19:15 PM CST


A retired University of Minnesota-Duluth professor known for his conspiracy theories on John F. Kennedy's assassination, the 9/11 attacks and the Paul Wellstone plane crash has found himself in the news again -- this time for claiming the U.S. government was involved in the Newtown, Conn., school shootings.

In his online writings, James Fetzer cites chief among his credentials his ties to UMD, a fact lamented by at least one professor at another university.

Fetzer, also an author and former Marine Corps officer, claims in an online journal that Israeli Mossad death squads and the U.S. government might have been behind the school shootings in Connecticut. At the end of his piece, Fetzer describes himself as an emeritus professor at UMD, and he uses his UMD e-mail address as his contact.

UMD officials say Fetzer has the right to express his views -- but he also has the responsibility to make clear he's not speaking for the university.

Other retired UMD faculty members have been identified as emeriti when writing opinion pieces in the pages of the News Tribune, including physician Robert Goldish and American Indian studies professor Robert Powless.

Fetzer's Newtown conspiracy theory earned him a mention by writer Michael Moynihan in the online magazine "Daily Beast," an article titled: "Newtown Conspiracy Theories: Obama, Iran, and Other Culprits." Beneath that, a secondary headline reads: "The government was behind the school massacre. Wait, it was Obama,
in a ruse to take our guns away. No, it was Iran! Israel! Batman! Michael Moynihan on the paranoid wing's 'real truth' about Sandy Hook."

Fetzer writes in his online column, published on "Press TV and "Veterans Today": "The Sandy Hook massacre appears to have been a psy op intended to strike fear in the hearts of Americans by the sheer brutality of the massacre, where the killing of children is a signature of terror ops conducted by agents of Israel."

The act, Fetzer said in an interview with the News Tribune, "is part of an escalating series of covert operations intended to create hysteria in the American people in order to support gun control legislation that completely subverts the Second Amendment."

Fetzer lists his UMD e-mail address as the way for readers to contact him, which was granted to him as part of his retirement package. He says he doesn't speak for UMD and that UMD hasn't suggested he refrain from connecting himself to the university.

"There is something called freedom of research, freedom of inquiry," he said, "which the University of Minnesota has respected. I can't imagine why any university would want to discourage its faculty from exercising their independent thought and critical reasoning ability."

Faculty, including faculty emeriti, are protected by the Regents Policy on Academic Freedom and Responsibility, according to Andrea Schokker, executive vice chancellor of academic affairs at UMD. The policy protects the freedom of creative expression and to speak or write on matters of public interest without institutional discipline or restraint. That comes with the responsibility to make it clear that one isn't speaking for the institution, she said.

But to the average person who reads the Fetzer piece, it appears Fetzer represents UMD, said Donna Halper, an associate professor of communication at Lesley University in Cambridge, Mass. Fetzer identifies himself as a UMD professor emeritus and notes his faculty page on UMD's website.

"For a professor to be spreading stereotypes under the guise of academic freedom is profoundly disappointing," said Halper, whose earlier career in radio led her to Duluth several times. She found Duluth to be tolerant and compassionate, she said, and she was surprised to read Fetzer's work, which she classified as a "fringe view."

"I'm not saying he doesn't have the right to speak, but ... when it comes from a professor, it makes me wonder: What did he teach his students?" asked Halper, who teaches courses on philosophy and communication ethics. "Here you have someone who is allegedly an educated person spreading such uneducated opinions in the name of Duluth. That's outrageous."

Fetzer, of Oregon, Wis., and a professor of philosophy, spent 35 years teaching at universities, 19 of those years at UMD. He was awarded a McKnight Professorship from the University of Minnesota in 1996, which included a $100,000 research grant. He retired from UMD in 2006.

He has an Internet radio show, has written more than two dozen books and has become a well-known voice among those who claim that Kennedy was assassinated by his own government. He also theorizes that the U.S. government was involved in the Wellstone plane crash and the 9/11 attacks.

As a philosopher, Fetzer said, he cares about the truth, and his scientific research has revealed that "the government lies to us."

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Old 01-10-2013, 08:48 PM   #226
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They're too busy posting here to carry out missions.

Now now let's be fair...all of our mental patients are too busy running for office on both sides of the aisle to be bothered with dirty things like assassinations.
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Old 01-10-2013, 09:39 PM   #228
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So dad is laughing, joking around w/ people before the cameras shoot to him, then starts breathing heavily preparing for his speech so he can act the part of devastation? Seems awfully weird...
People have the weirdest reactions to death.

AS much as they need to grieve, they need to experience family and camaraderie.

Recall they funeral scene from Steel Magnolias, at once moment the mother was absolutely consumed by grief, then some makes a witty remark and they're all laughing uncontrollably.

Sure it's acting in Steel Magnolias, but it is a real phenomenon.

I'll give the guy the benefit of the doubt.
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Old 01-15-2013, 07:39 AM   #229
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More and more people are putting those tin foil hats on. Oh how much shit I remember TeeDubya, Killer Clown, and myself getting over Zeitgeist, The Bilderburg Group, etc.
Next up, Sandy Hook...

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Old 01-15-2013, 08:24 AM   #230
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[quote=Mr. Flopnuts;9320058]More and more people are putting those tin foil hats on. Oh how much shit I remember TeeDubya, Killer Clown, and myself getting over Zeitgeist, The Bilderburg Group, etc.
Next up, Sandy Hook...

I just love a bunch of good old coincidences.
Move along,nothing to see here sheep.
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:32 AM   #231
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More and more people are putting those tin foil hats on. Oh how much shit I remember TeeDubya, Killer Clown, and myself getting over Zeitgeist, The Bilderburg Group, etc.
Next up, Sandy Hook...

I just love a bunch of good old coincidences.
Move along,nothing to see here sheep.
We have the global elite, CEO's of mega corporations forming policy and selecting puppet candidates w/ heads of states in private meetings (Bilderberg), totally illegal under the Logan Act.

But hey.....nothing to see here.
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We have the global elite, CEO's of mega corporations forming policy and selecting puppet candidates w/ heads of states in private meetings (Bilderberg), totally illegal under the Logan Act.

But hey.....nothing to see here.
Nothing to see here but sheep.








Some ****ed up weird shit is going on.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.c...crisis-actors/

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Gene Rosen sheltered six kids during the Sandy Hook massacre. Now he's become a target of conspiracy theorists
BY ALEX SEITZ-WALD

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“I don’t know what to do,” sighed Gene Rosen. “I’m getting hang up calls, I’m getting some calls, I’m getting emails with, not direct threats, but accusations that I’m lying, that I’m a crisis actor, ‘how much am I being paid’?” Someone posted a photo of his house online. There have been phony Google+ and YouTube accounts created in his name, messages on white supremacist message boards ridiculing the “emotional Jewish guy,” and dozens of blog posts and videos “exposing” him as a fraud. One email purporting to be a business inquiry taunted: “How are all those little students doing? You know, the ones that showed up at your house after the ‘shooting’. What is the going rate for getting involved in a gov’t sponsored hoax anyway?”

“The quantity of the material is overwhelming,” he said. So much so that a friend shields him from most of it by doing daily sweeps of the web so Rosen doesn’t have to. His wife is worried for their safety. He’s logged every email and every call, and consulted with a retired state police officer, who took the complaint seriously but said police probably can’t do anything at the moment, and he plans to do the same with the FBI.

What did Rosen do to deserve this? One month ago, he found six little children and a bus driver at the end of the driveway of his home in Newtown, Connecticut. “We can’t go back to school,” one little boy told Rosen. “Our teacher is dead.” He brought them inside and gave them food and juice and toys. He called their parents. He sat with them and listened to their shocked accounts of what had happened just down the street inside Sandy Hook Elementary, close enough that Rosen heard the gunshots.

In the hours and days that followed, Rosen did a lot of media interviews. “I wanted to speak about the bravery of the children, and it kind of helped me work through this,” he told Salon in an interview. “I guess I kind of opened myself up to this.”

The “this” in question is becoming a prime target of the burgeoning Sandy Hook Truther movement, which — like its precursor that denied the veracity of the 9/11 terror attacks — alleges that the entire shooting was a hoax of some kind. There were conspiracy theories surrounding the shooting from day one, but the movement has exploded into public view the past two weeks, and a Google Tends search suggests it’s just now picking up steam. It’s also beginning to earn the backing of presumably credible sources like a professor and a reporter.

Rosen, a 69-year old retired psychologist who now runs a pet sitting business and volunteers to read books to kids in schools, initially called me to ask if I thought he should reach out to the FBI about the harassment. I said it probably couldn’t hurt. When I asked if I could tell his story, he was reluctant at first. “Here’s my fear: If I start talking like this, will one of these Truthers read this and will it embolden them? Will they say, screw that guy, how dare he impugned our credibility or question our intellect, I’m going to go one step farther? Am I being stupid?” he asked.

After thinking about it, Rosen decided that he had to speak out: “I talk to you about this because I feel that there has to be some moral push back on this.” Rosen said he’s staunch believer in free speech, and realizes there are little legal recourse possible unless he gets direct threats, so he had a different idea.

“There must be someway to morally shame these people, because there were twenty dead children lying an eighth of a mile from my window all night long,” he said, choking back tears. “And I sat there with my wife, because they couldn’t take the bodies out that night so the medical examiner could come. And I thought of an expression, that this ‘adds insult to injury,’ but that’s a stupid expression, because this is not an injury, this is an abomination.”

The harassment has turned Rosen’s life upside down, and made him feel things once foreign to him, like searing rage. “I was sitting in a restaurant the other night and these guys who were part of a car club came up to me and shook my hand and said, ‘you know, you’re a hero to me.’ He had seen me on TV. So I said thank you. Then I’m sitting there I hear this other guy, ‘oh yeah, it was a conspiracy.’ He was a big guy,” he said.

“I tell you what, I had evil thoughts. I wanted to go over the first guy, and he had about 15 big guys with him, and say, ‘I’m going to go talk to this other guy — just watch my back.’ And then I wanted to go over to other guy and get up in his face and say, ‘see those guys over there, just know they’re keeping an eye out for me.’ And they I wanted to say, ‘I want to see what you look like. I want to see what a person who generates this kind of evil shits looks like. I want to look at your face and tell you you’re an asshole,’” he said.

He didn’t do it, of course. “But it tells me how rageful I am. And I am rageful about it, both for the children and for the mother of the child who came to my house looking for her son and I wanted to look at this guy and I wanted to just ****ing decimate him. That’s my rage.”

But when he starts to feel that way, Rosen can think of the first man. And the countless others out there who see Rosen as a hero, and not a tool of some shadowy conspiracy. Because for every angry call or email, there any many many more praising ones: “I get the most beautifully written cards, wonderful calls.” Let’s hope they continue to be the majority.

Alex Seitz-Wald is Salon's political reporter. Email him at aseitz-wald@salon.com, and follow him on Twitter @aseitzwald.
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Just for the record, I'm not saying I believe the thing was some big gubberment conspiracy. However, I'm willing to examine these things with an open mind. I don't put anything past the shit heads who run this country.
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Just for the record, I'm not saying I believe the thing was some big gubberment conspiracy. However, I'm willing to examine these things with an open mind. I don't put anything past the shit heads who run this country.
This.
I didnt start this thread. Im just tossing out weird shit that floats through my computer.
I only have one real agenda that I care about. The right to buy, sell & own assault weapons.
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More and more people are putting those tin foil hats on. Oh how much shit I remember TeeDubya, Killer Clown, and myself getting over Zeitgeist, The Bilderburg Group, etc.
Next up, Sandy Hook...

Where have you been. There's a bunch of 'em already on the "govt did it" thing. CoMo is their leader.
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I didnt start this thread. Im just tossing out weird shit that floats through my computer. I only have one real agenda that I care about. The right to buy, sell & own assault weapons.
Just to humor us, why not also mention your opinion on that floating shit. Otherwise, it's reasonable to believe that if you are helping to spread it, that you are inclinded to believe it.
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