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Old 01-11-2013, 08:21 AM  
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Likely to be the finalized staff...

From what I gathered, the staff will all be announced at once.

OC -Doug Pederson
QB coach - Matt Nagy
RB coach - Eric Bienemy
WR coach - David Culley
TE coach - Tom Melvin
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DL - Tom Brasher
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ST- Dave Toub

Senior offensive assistant/Assistant HC - Brad Childress

Don't know the quality control guys yet.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:20 AM   #91
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Hali is a LDE in a 4-3, not a RDE.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:21 AM   #92
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We REALLY don't have the personnel for a 4-3.

Hali was real damned average as a 4-3 end; decent pass rush, liability vs. the run. He just got swallowed. Have you forgotten? Also, as he puts on the 10-15 lbs he'll need to be barely adequate against the run, look for a return of his foot problems. Notice those went away when he dropped back to what is his 'natural' weight.
DJ was lost in a 4-3.
Houston doesn't really have a position in a 4-3. He's too small for an end, too big for a LB that will need to cover RB's in space.
You'd have to re-sign Dorsey, who's your only real 4-3 piece. Let Jackson walk.
You've got Poe, who can physically play DT, but he's a gap further away from the center/QB exchange.
You'll need a 4-3 end and to remake your entire LB corps.

There's a lot of question marks in the switch. IF you keep a 3-4 and just go one gap, you've got most of your question marks covered. Jackson is NOT a terrible player, he's just not a #3 overall quality player. Restructure and sign. Poe and Powe make a nice NT rotation. If you let Dorsey go, you need a 5 tech but you could make due with your rotational guys of Smith, Rapoti, and Bailey(if healthy). The biggest plus is you can count on Hali and Houston, who are both excellent in their roles. So you could use an upgrade at DE and you need a ILB. Not that hard to find.

I don't like it. It's a do-over and that'll take at least two offseasons.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:21 AM   #93
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And I've admitted several times that it's simply my personal preference, so I'll not call anyone a dipshit for being excited about staying with the 3-4.

I'll call Tinballs an idiot for saying we're better suited for a 3-4 because we have Pitoitua on our team. I'll also remain a little flummoxed by the idea that this mediocre retread was the best 3-4 guy we could come up with, but so be it.

I guess Keith Butler's just going to keep waiting for LeBeau to die.

Hey wait a minute, Tigers fans - with Ryan's firing you know our ol' buddy Matt Eberflus will be looking for a job. TO THE SHIP!!!
look, I said Hali/Rapoti on one side with Poe in the middle plus TJ/Houston on the other side is a formidable 1 gap pass rush. Idiot.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:21 AM   #94
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Regardless of what coach does what in this list, the most important aspect is that Clark has completely flushed the old watch and brought in fresh faces at practically every coaching spot in the span of two weeks, provided this list is accurate (and I have no reason to doubt Bad Guy at all). Throw in the imminent hiring of Dorsey, and this is huge for us going forward.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:23 AM   #95
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Brian. Daboll.

But way older.
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I just can't believe there was no one better than this guy available
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:30 AM   #96
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Bob Sutton is a horrible hire. JFC, why?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:31 AM   #97
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Hali is a LDE in a 4-3, not a RDE.
Yeah, I think that's true.

And yeah, he got beat up a little the first time he was an LDE, but he's gotten much stronger since then and he's just flat out gotten smarter. I honestly don't see anything in his skill-set that would keep him from being among the better LDE's in the league.

Houston, by the same token, could be an elite RDE. His explosiveness is damn uncommon for a guy with his strength. He'd have some learning to do, for sure, he'd have to pick up some pass-rush technique but he's slowly coming along there as a LOLB.

And he'd be free to do what he does well far more often - kill the QB.

As to Chris's statement that DJ was lost in a 4-3...DJ was lost in everything when he was young. He's come so far, so fast that I think he'd easily make the transition to a 4-3. He'd be a good MLB and an outstanding Sam. It would depend in large part on who you could find in the draft/FA where you'd put him.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:35 AM   #98
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Does sutton run a 34?
Thats what was recorded at the DC Combine! He scratched on his first attempt so there was alot of pressure to put up a low number!
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:40 AM   #99
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Yeah, I think that's true.

And yeah, he got beat up a little the first time he was an LDE, but he's gotten much stronger since then and he's just flat out gotten smarter. I honestly don't see anything in his skill-set that would keep him from being among the better LDE's in the league.

Houston, by the same token, could be an elite RDE. His explosiveness is damn uncommon for a guy with his strength. He'd have some learning to do, for sure, he'd have to pick up some pass-rush technique but he's slowly coming along there as a LOLB.

And he'd be free to do what he does well far more often - kill the QB.

As to Chris's statement that DJ was lost in a 4-3...DJ was lost in everything when he was young. He's come so far, so fast that I think he'd easily make the transition to a 4-3. He'd be a good MLB and an outstanding Sam. It would depend in large part on who you could find in the draft/FA where you'd put him.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:01 AM   #100
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Hopefully we can get some stability on offense. These guys have had to learn 5 systems in 4 years. No wonder they suck. That is just too much to deal with.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:08 AM   #101
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Hopefully we can get some stability on offense. These guys have had to learn 5 systems in 4 years. No wonder they suck. That is just too much to deal with.
True, but the biggest problem has been a QB that would suck running any offense.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:16 AM   #102
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True, but the biggest problem has been a QB that would suck running any offense.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:21 AM   #103
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Bob Sutton is a horrible hire. JFC, why?
He would also be the first coach ever to do better his second go-round. I'm sure Mangini who's a defensive mind had nothing at all to so with the Jets defense while Sutton was DC.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:23 AM   #104
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As for offense, it's going to be all Reid. Of course he's going to hire guys experienced in HIS scheme. He would be retarded to hire guys who clash.
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