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Old 01-11-2013, 08:27 AM  
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The "bearing arms" debate...

Let me first provide this caveat...I am a hunter. I own 8 guns ranging from a 30-6 to a .22. Couple of shotguns for bird hunting mixed in...

Second, I grant the 2nd amendment arguments. I believe the framers of the constitution meant that YOU could own the finest musket available. Period.

Still, isn't this whole debate about where to draw the line and how you define "arms."

I mean no one is arguing for your right to own a tank, bazooka, tomahawk missle, or nuke....right?

So how about an AK 47 or M-16 that is fully automatic...do we favor that?

Or an M-60 machine gun...should you be able to own one of those?

I guess what I am saying is that not even the most avid arms enthusiast argues that a private citizen should own an intercontinental ballistic nuclear missile...Yet clearly that falls under "arms."

The debate over arms, imo, is an argument over "the line" that we draw when we define arms.

Just my 2 cents.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:33 AM   #16
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This is not a new debate, the supreme court already ruled that sawn-off shotguns are not arms. Nukes and cannons are also not arms. (No, arms does not mean weapon)
I don't care what they think about it. The court has been altering original intent for a long time. I'll chose the words of our Framers over the "living Constitution" that was written on rubber as per the Jefferson quote above. This is whey we currently live under a tyranny with relentless spying etc.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:36 AM   #17
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This is not a new debate, the supreme court already ruled that sawn-off shotguns are not arms. Nukes and cannons are also not arms. (No, arms does not mean weapon)
aren't they the ones that declared a corporation is a voter? Ya. **** them.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:40 AM   #18
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aren't they the ones that declared a corporation is a voter? Ya. **** them.
Dumb reply. This is about the law in the real world, not a rainbow fantasyland where you can interpret the constitution and where nullification actually exists.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:44 AM   #19
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I don't care what they think about it. The court has been altering original intent for a long time. I'll chose the words of our Framers over the "living Constitution" that was written on rubber as per the Jefferson quote above. This is whey we currently live under a tyranny with relentless spying etc.
Yes or no--Does "arms" include a rocket-propelled gernade and launcher?Does "arms" include a nuclear weapon?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:44 AM   #20
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Dumb reply. This is about the law in the real world, not a rainbow fantasyland where you can interpret the constitution and where nullification actually exists.
are you a lobbyist? in, you know -- the "real world" ??
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:47 AM   #21
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Yes or no--Does "arms" include a rocket-propelled gernade and launcher?Does "arms" include a nuclear weapon?
y'all seem to have adversity to definitions. I can help;

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Synonyms: arm, gun, heat [slang], piece, small arm
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:47 AM   #22
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Yes or no--Does "arms" include a rocket-propelled gernade and launcher?Does "arms" include a nuclear weapon?
I posted the definition earlier. You might try and read posts in this thread.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:48 AM   #23
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Yes or no--Does "arms" include a rocket-propelled gernade and launcher?Does "arms" include a nuclear weapon?
She cannot answer that to be honest. If arms means weapons, as she implies, I have a right to an intercontinental ballistic missile if I so choose and can afford it...

than would show those socialists.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:49 AM   #24
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She cannot answer that to be honest. If arms means weapons, as she implies, I have a right to an intercontinental ballistic missile if I so choose and can afford it...

than would show those socialists.
I did read it...nowhere do you answer the question other than to say - well they shouldn't have nukes.

You cannot logically exclude them tho, if you say bear arms means weapons.
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:51 AM   #26
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She cannot answer that to be honest. If arms means weapons, as she implies, I have a right to an intercontinental ballistic missile if I so choose and can afford it...
Well, price would be a barrier, but that would be markets working. However, I did answer it. It just takes reading comprehension.

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...than would show those socialists.
You bet. Better than the socialists having all those things and "we the people" nothing to fight with.

I'd be willing to make a deal though. Have governments do away with such things for themselves first.


Now, what did Timothy McVeigh use again?
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Old 01-11-2013, 10:52 AM   #27
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Who is y'all? First of all, I was asking BEP her opinion.
Second, your posted definition is likely 1 of 100 I could surely find from reasonable sources.
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She cannot answer that to be honest. If arms means weapons, as she implies, I have a right to an intercontinental ballistic missile if I so choose and can afford it...

than would show those socialists.
I was asking her opinion. She has some odd ones, and I was wondering what it is.
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Who is y'all? First of all, I was asking BEP her opinion.
And you got it. His is not different and he can back it up if he wants.
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Second, your posted definition is likely 1 of 100 I could surely find from reasonable sources.
So.

Anyhow, seems most dictionaries define it similarly or paraphrase the same thing—that is if'n one can read.
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