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Old 01-11-2013, 08:45 AM  
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:41 PM   #226
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When it comes to the underneath stuff, Barkley has great timing so he's very accurate.

On the deep stuff, it's no contest. Smith is accurate and delivers the ball on time. Barkley tends to float stuff.
That's interesting, because while I've read similar takes....it depends on perspective. According to some Smith's accuracy is a result of a superior corp of very athletic receivers who make catches a lot of players would not--and that he sacrifices "touch" for velocity, whereas Barkley lacks a cannon he is reputably better with touch, placement of the ball, and as you say timing.

I'm not a big college FB follower (no time,) and haven't seen more than a handfull of games by either. However, what I have seen....seems consistent with those takes. Guess we'll see what Andy thinks in the coming months though.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:42 PM   #227
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:44 PM   #228
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:46 PM   #229
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A mentality wouldn't contribute to poor accuracy, a lack of ability or poor technique would. A gunslinger mentality could contribute to poor decisions. That said, I'm not previously aware of anyone questioning Smith's downfield accuracy. In fact, I think it's the trait where he stands out most.
Maybe he forces throws? I hope you are right, and we pick him then. One example of what I've read....

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Displays adequate overall accuracy but can continue to improve as a senior. Mechanics and footwork are solid. Usually throws with good balance. Very accurate in the short-to-intermediate range. Shows good placement and provides his receivers with the ability to create after the catch. Can make an accurate throw off balance and/or on the run to both sides. Also can thread the needle into tight downfield windows. A bit of fast ball thrower right now and can continue to develop touch, particularly with longer intermediate and deeps throws. Needs to learn to put more air under his deep ball and drop it down the chute to provide more room for error with receivers.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:50 PM   #230
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If the Chiefs draft Geno, Wilson, Barkley #1, everyone is going to say "woo hoo! We got our man!" Even if it isn't Geno, people will say "I trust Reid's evaluation."

After the Combine, Senior Bowl, and pro days, we might be adding Murray or Bray or both to that list.

So, if the Chiefs trade down, or if they select jarvis jones or even a mother ****ing defensive tackle, but still get one of those guys after trading back up or having him fall to the second, then I am going to be fine.

Let's all pray that people get scared off Geno. Best case scenario is he falls to us at 33, isn't it? Isn't that the best case scenario?

I'm not going to freak out about any of this until the day of the draft. Then I'll go full retard.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:53 PM   #231
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If the Chiefs draft Geno, Wilson, Barkley #1, everyone is going to say "woo hoo! We got our man!" Even if it isn't Geno, people will say "I trust Reid's evaluation."

After the Combine, Senior Bowl, and pro days, we might be adding Murray or Bray or both to that list.

So, if the Chiefs trade down, or if they select jarvis jones or even a mother ****ing defensive tackle, but still get one of those guys after trading back up or having him fall to the second, then I am going to be fine.

Let's all pray that people get scared off Geno. Best case scenario is he falls to us at 33, isn't it? Isn't that the best case scenario?

I'm not going to freak out about any of this until the day of the draft. Then I'll go full retard.
Murray's didn't declare. I don't think Reid will put his offense in the hands of Tyler Bray, a 21 year old kid with maturity issues. If he does select Bray, expect a stop-gap QB for at least a year, if not two.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:53 PM   #232
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:54 PM   #233
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If the Chiefs draft Geno, Wilson, Barkley #1, everyone is going to say "woo hoo! We got our man!" Even if it isn't Geno, people will say "I trust Reid's evaluation."

After the Combine, Senior Bowl, and pro days, we might be adding Murray or Bray or both to that list.

So, if the Chiefs trade down, or if they select jarvis jones or even a mother ****ing defensive tackle, but still get one of those guys after trading back up or having him fall to the second, then I am going to be fine.

Let's all pray that people get scared off Geno. Best case scenario is he falls to us at 33, isn't it? Isn't that the best case scenario?

I'm not going to freak out about any of this until the day of the draft. Then I'll go full retard.
murray isn't coming out
smith isn't dropping to 33

bray?

you're pretty close to full retard already

how about we just draft the best qb?
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:59 PM   #234
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murray isn't coming out
smith isn't dropping to 33

bray?

you're pretty close to full retard already

how about we just draft the best qb?
Didn't know that about Murray, and as my grandpappy used to tell me, "the less a man makes declarative statements, the less likely he is to look like a fool in retrospect."

I don't mean Bray at #1, I mean at #33.

And Smith could fall. Anything is possible right now. They haven't done any medical evals or anything. He could have a nagging shoulder injury that no one knew about. He could get a DUI. Justin Houston was a first rounder until the combine.

don't get ahead of yourself.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:00 PM   #235
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Smith's biggest knock seems to be a gunslinger mentality that contributes to poor accuracy on intermediate and deep throws
Wow, just wow. If anything Geno is one of the most accurate deep ball passers I have seen. I don't know how people come up with this stuff.

Sure Austin/Woods/Bailey are good-great receivers, but holy hell if a WR makes a QB good, then every team should be drafting WR's in the top 10 and just plug some guy in at QB.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:00 PM   #236
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Interesting take from Walter Football....

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I wrote earlier that this pick largely depended on what would happen with Scott Pioli. If Pioli were retained, he'd draft Star Lotulelei or Luke Joeckel and then use his second-round pick on Mike Glennon, whom he likes. If Pioli were fired, however, as the awesome @saveourchiefs movement was pushing for, the new general manager would almost have to take a franchise quarterback.

Well, it was the latter situation that occurred. Andy Reid was hired, while Pioli was axed. New regimes mean new quarterbacks, but whether that means Reid will spend this selection on a quarterback or sign his aging, scrambling signal-caller from Philadelphia remains to be seen. But if history is any indication, Reid will use this pick on Geno Smith.

Reid eschewed all the top free-agent quarterbacks when he took over as the Eagles' head coach, taking a mobile, Big East product with a good deep ball and upside instead. Well, Smith is a mobile, (former) Big East product with a good deep ball and upside. He fits perfectly into Reid's offense.

ESPN and other outlets will tell you that Smith nor any other signal-caller is worth taking No. 1 overall, but that could easily change. Remember two years ago when ESPN was mocking Da'Quan Bowers and Nick Fairley to the Panthers? Well, Cam Newton ballooned to the top, as will some other quarterback this year. It could be Smith, Tyler Wilson, Matt Barkley or Glennon. We'll see. Four months is a long time. If this doesn't happen, the Chiefs could always trade down.

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Old 01-11-2013, 01:00 PM   #237
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I'm sorry but USC QBs are the most hyped garbage I've ever seen.

What you fail to understand is all USC QBs are going to look somewhat good...Why? Because they get the best recruits year after year. It's easy for USC QBs to show some kind of ability. When youre getting awards like "program of the decade"

USC QBs, No ****ing thanks.
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Wow, just wow. If anything Geno is one of the most accurate deep ball passers I have seen. I don't know how people come up with this stuff.

Sure Austin/Woods/Bailey are good-great receivers, but holy hell if a WR makes a QB good, then every team should be drafting WR's in the top 10 and just plug some guy in at QB.
I quoted it because it was striking...and apparently only one misguided critics crappy opinion, I guess.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:02 PM   #239
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What you fail to understand is all USC QBs are going to look somewhat good...Why? Because they get the best recruits year after year. It's easy for USC QBs to show some kind of ability. When youre getting awards like "program of the decade"


So where do they get their QBs?
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So where do they get their QBs?
You can plug in just about any QB with some sort of skill at USC. Thats what i'm saying.
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