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Old 01-10-2013, 08:35 PM  
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Do you get a flu shot?

Seems like this flu season is pretty bad so far. Especially here in Boston. All I see on the news is how everyone should get a flu shot.

I have never had a flu shot, there's all sorts of chemical shit that I don't want in my body, the thimerosal (mercury), aluminum and other shit. I don't trust it for a second.

I've never had a flu shot and I haven't had the flu since....I can't even remember when.

I know I know, I'm a batshit crazy dumbass for not trusting it, after all the government tells us we should take it!!
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:46 PM   #121
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I've never asked my doctor to see the box my vaccination came in. I don't worry about tiny amounts of heavy metals that may or may not be contained in it.

Manufacturers didn't stop selling aluminum cookware, so your entire second paragraph is based in fallacy.
The cooking surface is usually covered with some nonstick surface.

It is your choice not to believe that heavy metals cause problems in the human brain. When your in your seventies you might wish you had rethought that choice. Just sayin......

Why risk it?
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:48 PM   #122
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Yes; first time... and I still got the flu.

Unfortunately the vaccine this year was for strains of H1N1 and H1N2; a different strain is going around (ILI?), which, of course, I picked up over Christmas.
Unless you got some rogue vaccine, these are the strains covered. H3N2 is what's running rampant.

A/California/7/2009 (H1N1);
A/Victoria/361/2011 (H3N2);
B/Wisconsin/1/2010-like virus (from the B/Yamagata lineage of viruses).
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:50 PM   #123
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The mutations are less virulent. That's why it's always the same culprits year after year.
So it's like making a drug that kills all Democrats.

That still leaves a lot of options out there...
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:56 PM   #124
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While I appreciate your response I would say, how can you expect to get funding for any kind of research that does not involve a "pharmaceutical answer". It won't happen. That is why you won't find any mainstream research about the dangers, they have a vested interest in only finding a drug related answer therefore no funding.

I would use a good friend of mine as an example. God rest his soul. He was from the KC area and had four Ph. D's in chemistry. Dr. Delta Gier. He left the "scientific world" because he got fed up with being denied funding when he would find answers to major conditions and be denied funding. The reason? They were vitamin based and therefore Big Pharma could not patent the drug and the research so they were not interested. He ended up in the "alternative" health sciences because he found them searching for the truth not just the profit.

I understand why people think the way they do. We are all bombarded with drug commercials all day long and by the time we are old enough to make a decision for ourselves we assume drugs are the answer.

One of the biggest reasons we don't have the mass deaths anymore from disease is we finally figured out simple sanitation. Believe it or not the Jewish Old Testament taught sanitation to the Jews. That is why they were accused many times in history of poisoning the water etc wherever they lived and were punished. They followed Torah and the Goys were too busy pissing upstream and drinking downstream. What I'm saying is sanitation has taken care of many of the dreaded diseases from the past.

As far as the rest of the world, I can't say. Too many children suffer from malnutrition and unsanitary conditions. I do know that there is a chiropractic hospital in Zimbabwe and they are having phenomenal results with AIDS patients there.

While I know I don't have all the answers I know Big Pharma isn't it. Click on the link in my other post and just see the lawsuits brought on by their deceptive ways of doing business. To them its all about profits, not health, it's been shown too many times to be otherwise.

One last thing You said "but there is absolutely no proof that the current view of disease is wrong until your counterpoint is made with as much absolute evidence"

Our current view of disease is the Germ Theory. Why after all this time is it not called the Germ Law? Because it is a theory nothing more. If it were true we would all be dead. Why did only 1/3 of Europe die of Bubonic Plague, 25 million died, 50 million lived. All were exposed so why? It's called immunity. That is why it makes more sense to keep your immunity strong. My children were not lucky, they were taken care of and we built there immunity in early childhood. We also fed them healthy food and kept their bodies functioning properly. Healthy people don't get sick, sick people get sick. We have been taught that if you feel OK you must be healthy. Wrong. symptoms are nothing more than a warning sign, much like the oil light in a car. You don't fix that with tape over the light, you check the oil pan to make sure your wife didn't rip it off going over a concrete stopper in a parking lot. Watch all the drug commercials, they all talk about getting rid of your symptoms not correcting the underlying cause of the disease. Just my opinion.
No offense, but you're slipping into a laughable position now. To say there's no funding for actual effective medical research is incredibly ignorant. The pharmaceutical market certainly appreciates their pills that treat symptoms and require continued use. But to say that an actual effective treatment for something important would or could be denied or ignored because Big Pharma can't make as much money is an incredible stretch. The pharmaceutical market couldn't completely control it even if it wanted to.

And in the example with your friend, he didn't get funding because vitamins and other homeopathic items are not regulated. There's an important reason why it's not regulated. Because the entire homeopathic market is full of worthless junk that has never been proven to actually treat any condition. If it actually did work, then it wouldn't be a "Vitamin" or "Supplement". It's not labeled a "Vitamin" because the evil Pharm industry doesn't like it and can't make money on it. It's labeled "Vitamin" because it hasn't shown any actual proof of effectiveness.

Regarding "Germ Theory".. Please learn the difference between a scientific theory and a normal casual theory as it is used outside of the scientific world. They are vastly different. Being labeled as theory does not equate to not being true. Far from it. Scientific theories are explanations to explain what we know to be fact. Building a strong immune system does not depend on avoiding vaccinations. They can certainly be safely combined, and it happens all the time.
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Old 01-11-2013, 01:57 PM   #125
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While I appreciate your response I would say, how can you expect to get funding for any kind of research that does not involve a "pharmaceutical answer". It won't happen. That is why you won't find any mainstream research about the dangers, they have a vested interest in only finding a drug related answer therefore no funding.

I would use a good friend of mine as an example. God rest his soul. He was from the KC area and had four Ph. D's in chemistry. Dr. Delta Gier. He left the "scientific world" because he got fed up with being denied funding when he would find answers to major conditions and be denied funding. The reason? They were vitamin based and therefore Big Pharma could not patent the drug and the research so they were not interested. He ended up in the "alternative" health sciences because he found them searching for the truth not just the profit.

I understand why people think the way they do. We are all bombarded with drug commercials all day long and by the time we are old enough to make a decision for ourselves we assume drugs are the answer.

One of the biggest reasons we don't have the mass deaths anymore from disease is we finally figured out simple sanitation. Believe it or not the Jewish Old Testament taught sanitation to the Jews. That is why they were accused many times in history of poisoning the water etc wherever they lived and were punished. They followed Torah and the Goys were too busy pissing upstream and drinking downstream. What I'm saying is sanitation has taken care of many of the dreaded diseases from the past.

As far as the rest of the world, I can't say. Too many children suffer from malnutrition and unsanitary conditions. I do know that there is a chiropractic hospital in Zimbabwe and they are having phenomenal results with AIDS patients there.

While I know I don't have all the answers I know Big Pharma isn't it. Click on the link in my other post and just see the lawsuits brought on by their deceptive ways of doing business. To them its all about profits, not health, it's been shown too many times to be otherwise.
First of all, you don't have to "educate" me about Jews and their history; I am one. In fact, I find it ironic that you reference the Jews being accused of poisoning the water but ultimately being correct when there are so many people in this thread and the world who are accusing vaccines of poisoning the population without the evidence to support it. It's unfortunate that your friend had the experience he had (and there's no lack of selfish people in the pharmecutical industry) but anecdotes aren't proof of anything, as there are mountains of personal experiences supporting either side of the issue.

My issue with these anti-vaccine "studies" is not only in their lack of support from the professional world, but also their reliance on meaningless anecdotes and arguments based on entirely uncorrelated data. I haven't seen one of these studies yet that uses legitimate scientific method to create their samples to convince me of their lack of bias. Because of that, neither I nor anyone with a scientific background can take their research seriously.

Finally, as great as it is that secondary practices are making life better for AIDS patients in Africa, they're ultimately treating the symptoms and not the disease itself; their patients are doomed to to spread their virus and ultimately die from it until a cure is developed. Until then, the money is best spent researching cures to the virus and preventing its spread as much as possible through promotion of condoms and safe birthing practices for those already infected.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:00 PM   #126
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The cooking surface is usually covered with some nonstick surface.

It is your choice not to believe that heavy metals cause problems in the human brain. When your in your seventies you might wish you had rethought that choice. Just sayin......

Why risk it?
Oh, and is the nonstick coating safe? There are people who are hysterical about that too.

I'm sure heavy metals do cause problems, just not in tiny doses. People used to paint their houses with lead and we didn't see the mass amounts of alzheimers and autism you're so worried about.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:03 PM   #127
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Oh, and is the nonstick coating safe? There are people who are hysterical about that too.

I'm sure heavy metals do cause problems, just not in tiny doses. People used to paint their houses with lead and we didn't see the mass amounts of alzheimers and autism you're so worried about.
Not to mention, what's the cooking spray can made of? OMG!
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:07 PM   #128
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The cooking surface is usually covered with some nonstick surface.

It is your choice not to believe that heavy metals cause problems in the human brain. When your in your seventies you might wish you had rethought that choice. Just sayin......

Why risk it?
It's not like he'll remember how he got in that condition...or his name.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:09 PM   #129
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For all you mercury (thimerasol) freaks. DON'T EAT FISH!

25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5 mL of vaccine (one dose).

As a comparison, most commercial fish contain an average of 23 micrograms of mercury per 8 ounces of fish.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:13 PM   #130
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You might as well face the fact that you'll be autistic and sick with mystery diseases for the rest of your life.

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Well I guess you're done for now.

You might as well face the fact that you'll be autistic and sick with mystery diseases for the rest of your life.

A friend of my old colliegate room mate published a paper about how that stuff is caused from cell phone use, true story. And it's published so it must be true....
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No offense, but you're slipping into a laughable position now. To say there's no funding for actual effective medical research is incredibly ignorant. The pharmaceutical market certainly appreciates their pills that treat symptoms and require continued use. But to say that an actual effective treatment for something important would or could be denied or ignored because Big Pharma can't make as much money is an incredible stretch. The pharmaceutical market couldn't completely control it even if it wanted to.

And in the example with your friend, he didn't get funding because vitamins and other homeopathic items are not regulated. There's an important reason why it's not regulated. Because the entire homeopathic market is full of worthless junk that has never been proven to actually treat any condition. If it actually did work, then it wouldn't be a "Vitamin" or "Supplement". It's not labeled a "Vitamin" because the evil Pharm industry doesn't like it and can't make money on it. It's labeled "Vitamin" because it hasn't shown any actual proof of effectiveness.

Regarding "Germ Theory".. Please learn the difference between a scientific theory and a normal casual theory as it is used outside of the scientific world. They are vastly different. Being labeled as theory does not equate to not being true. Far from it. Scientific theories are explanations to explain what we know to be fact. Building a strong immune system does not depend on avoiding vaccinations. They can certainly be safely combined, and it happens all the time.
Having done this for over 40 years I choose not to waste time on a mind that cannot or will not be willing to consider any other train of thought. All I would ask you is this. We as Americans represent approx 5% of the worlds population and take over 80% of the worlds prescription drugs. If Big Pharma were the answer we should rank number one in overall world health and yet we rank around 37th. Despite having more hospitals, nurses, MRI machines etc than the rest of the world.

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It's not like he'll remember how he got in that condition...or his name.
lol so true. I have a mother who was told in 1958 that she would be dead in 1971 and yet we have kept her alive and healthy all those years. We actually practice what we preach. Too each his own.
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For all you mercury (thimerasol) freaks. DON'T EAT FISH!

25 micrograms of mercury per 0.5 mL of vaccine (one dose).

As a comparison, most commercial fish contain an average of 23 micrograms of mercury per 8 ounces of fish.
Is that wild fish or farmed?
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