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Old 01-11-2013, 08:21 AM  
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Likely to be the finalized staff...

From what I gathered, the staff will all be announced at once.

OC -Doug Pederson
QB coach - Matt Nagy
RB coach - Eric Bienemy
WR coach - David Culley
TE coach - Tom Melvin
OL - Eugene Chung
DC - Bob Sutton
DL - Tom Brasher
LB - Gary Gibbs
DB - Emmitt Thomas/Otis Smith *assistant
ST- Dave Toub

Senior offensive assistant/Assistant HC - Brad Childress

Don't know the quality control guys yet.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:25 PM   #196
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I think Lewis's shoulder was messed up all year, still though, he needs to be playing the 3rd safety in sub sets.


Not the starter.

Which is why, being a passing league, I'd like to target Byrd as our big free agent signing this offseason. We likely won't though.


All these spots don't have to be filled int he draft, free agency is a good place to get depth and an occasional starter but you have to pay for it.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:26 PM   #197
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A lot of folks speak very highly of Pederson. I'm cautiously optimistic over that one. And in the end, I'd far prefer a little new blood in that role than just giving it to Childress and hoping (worse still, Shurmer).

I like quite a few of the hires, I just do not care for the DC pick. There were a lot of good options out there, IMO.

I still don't see why we didn't kick the tires on Reggie Herring. There's just not a better tree to pluck guys from if you're intent on the 3-4 than Wade Phillips. The guy knows that defense backwards and forwards and he hand-picked Herring to follow him from Dallas to the Texans.

Sure looks like a nice resume to me.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:28 PM   #198
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I agree. I like Arenas
Arenas is like Flowers in this regard: When they get burnt, it doesn't look like they get burnt.

Carr was a whipping boy around here because when he got beat, he was out of position and it looked like he was getting smoked. Flowers, OTOH, would get beat when a bigger, faster guy would just flat take the ball away from him.

In the end, beat is beat. Flowers didn't get beat appreciably more often than Carr, but folks were harder on Carr because Flowers didn't look as bad in getting burned.

Arenas is the same way. He often looks like he's where he's supposed to be, but he's just a hair too slow or too small so the ball gets caught. He looks like he had 'decent coverage', but in the end his physical limitations are just too much for him to be very good (because he's nowhere near as skilled as Flowers).

It's why he doesn't look awful on tape, but PFF just destroys him and his catch rates are so poor.

Close doesn't count in this league. Beat is beat and Arenas gets beat as often as anyone in the game. If you can improve on him as your nickle you should, let alone as your starter. He's an easily replaceable player, IMO.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:29 PM   #199
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Call me crazy, but I also still think there is hope for Arenas and some others. As I was saying before, I'm talking about roster spots. Even if as the 4th CB, I think he has a spot on this team.
Agreed, he filled in much better than i had anticipated.

Too small for permanent #2 duty, but still seems like a good guy to keep around.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:30 PM   #200
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He got considerably worse.

By a LOT.

Don't want to see people saying he improved. It's not true.
He and others were progressing before last season. Although I want Jackson gone, I almost want to erase this past season as an evaluation of a lot of these players. It's obvious that the leadership, coaching wise, was completely screwed up.
A lot of turnover is coming, but there's a lot of guys who I want to be evaluated under new leadership before getting rid of. We all know how important coaching is in this league, and it's as if it was non-existent this past season.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:32 PM   #201
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I think Lewis's shoulder was messed up all year, still though, he needs to be playing the 3rd safety in sub sets.


Not the starter.

Which is why, being a passing league, I'd like to target Byrd as our big free agent signing this offseason. We likely won't though.


All these spots don't have to be filled int he draft, free agency is a good place to get depth and an occasional starter but you have to pay for it.
I agree. That would explain why he was so passive in his tackling.

Good news is that the safety class is very deep in this draft. We could get a very talented guy with our 3rd or 4th round pick.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:32 PM   #202
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Arenas is like Flowers in this regard: When they get burnt, it doesn't look like they get burnt.

Carr was a whipping boy around here because when he got beat, he was out of position and it looked like he was getting smoked. Flowers, OTOH, would get beat when a bigger, faster guy would just flat take the ball away from him.

In the end, beat is beat. Flowers didn't get beat appreciably more often than Carr, but folks were harder on Carr because Flowers didn't look as bad in getting burned.

Arenas is the same way. He often looks like he's where he's supposed to be, but he's just a hair too slow or too small so the ball gets caught. He looks like he had 'decent coverage', but in the end his physical limitations are just too much for him to be very good (because he's nowhere near as skilled as Flowers).

It's why he doesn't look awful on tape, but PFF just destroys him and his catch rates are so poor.

Close doesn't count in this league. Beat is beat and Arenas gets beat as often as anyone in the game. If you can improve on him as your nickle you should, let alone as your starter. He's an easily replaceable player, IMO.
The especially maddening thing about the Pioli regime is that they didn't learn their ****ing lesson. They drafted the SAME CBs with the same lack of speed and physical talent.

Menzie is as slow as Arenas is as slow as Jalil Brown. They just come in different size packages. And coincidentally, we have asked them all to play a bit of nickel at some point in their careers as Chiefs. Menzie didn't get much of a chance, but he WAS drafted to be a physical bump-and-run slot corner in addition to playing backup safety.
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I think Lewis's shoulder was messed up all year, still though, he needs to be playing the 3rd safety in sub sets.


Not the starter.

Which is why, being a passing league, I'd like to target Byrd as our big free agent signing this offseason. We likely won't though.


All these spots don't have to be filled int he draft, free agency is a good place to get depth and an occasional starter but you have to pay for it.
I can agree with this. I don't want people to think I am advocating putting these guys back out there in starting roles, just believe that they have a place on this team.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:34 PM   #204
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I agree. That would explain why he was so passive in his tackling.

Good news is that the safety class is very deep in this draft. We could get a very talented guy with our 3rd or 4th round pick.
Yep.

This years free agency class at DB/S is pretty good as well.

Louis Delmas, Byrd, Gholdston and Moore are all UFA's. William Moore with Eric Berry back there would be pretty great IMO.


I'd also take a flyer on Brent Grimes.
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Old 01-11-2013, 02:36 PM   #205
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And is anybody else concerned that Bob Sutton is a bad hire?

The guy was a DC for like 2 years, then got demoted.
Not really. It was Mangini defense and he was the scape goat. He must be a good coach if Herm, Mangini, and Rex all kept him around as they all came from good defensive trees.
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KANSAS CITY, Mo. – The Kansas City Chiefs announced on Friday several coaching staff hires for the 2013 season. Newcomers to the staff include:

Eric Bieniemy (Running Backs), Tommy Brasher (Defensive Line), Travis Crittenden (Assistant Strength and Conditioning), David Culley (Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers), Mike Frazier (Statistical Analysis Coordinator), Corey Matthaei (Quality Control), Tom Melvin (Tight Ends), Matt Nagy (Quarterbacks), Britt Reid (Quality Control) and Barry Rubin (Head Strength and Conditioning).

“I’m pleased we were able to get all of these coaches on board,” Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid said. “I have relationships with each of them, and I know their past experiences, work ethics and coaching styles. These are high-character coaches, and each one brings something different to the table for us.”

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Eric Bieniemy (Running Backs) – Bieniemy enters his first season with the Chiefs as the teams’ running backs coach after a two-year stint at the University of Colorado where he served as the offensive coordinator/running backs coach. Prior to returning to his alma mater in 2011, he spent five seasons (2006-10) in Minnesota coaching the Vikings running backs. He was part of a Vikings team that won consecutive NFC North Division titles in 2008-09. In those five seasons, the Vikings produced a 1,000-yard rusher each year while his stable of running backs broke the 100-yard mark 31 times in 80 regular season games. Prior to coaching in Minnesota, he coached at UCLA (2003-05), Colorado (2001-02) and Thomas Jefferson High School in Denver, Colo. (2000).

Bieniemy was an All-American tailback for the Buffaloes (1987-90). He originally entered the NFL as the San Diego Chargers second-round pick in the 1991 NFL draft. He enjoyed a nine-year pro career with three teams: San Diego (1991-94), Cincinnati (1995-98) and Philadelphia (1999) under Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid.

Tommy Brasher (Defensive Line) – Beginning his 25th year as an NFL coach, Brasher was named Kansas City’s defensive line coach after three separate tours of duty in Philadelphia, all as the club’s defensive line coach. He rejoined the Eagles’ coaching staff as defensive line coach on Dec. 3, 2012 for his ninth year with the team. Prior to rejoining the Eagles, he spent seven years tutoring the defensive linemen in Philadelphia (1999-05). He held the same role with the Eagles during the 1985 season on then-Head Coach Marion Campbell’s staff. In his inaugural year with Philadelphia in 1985, DEs Greg Brown and rookie Reggie White each recorded 13.0 sacks apiece.

Prior to joining the Eagles in 1999, Brasher served as the defensive line coach in Seattle (1992-98), Tampa Bay (1990) and Atlanta (1986-89). His first NFL coaching experience came with New England as he coached the defensive line for three seasons (1982-84). Prior to becoming an NFL coach, Brasher coached the defensive line at Southern Methodist University (1977-81) and was defensive coordinator at Northeast Louisiana (1974, 1976) and the Shreveport Steamer of the World Football League (1975). He coached the defensive line and linebackers at Virginia Tech (1971) and served as a defensive assistant for his alma mater, Arkansas, in 1970. Brasher was an all-conference selection as a linebacker at Arkansas (1962-63), where he was a teammate of Cowboys owner Jerry Jones and former Dolphins and Cowboys Head Coach Jimmy Johnson.

Travis Crittenden (Assistant Strength & Conditioning) – Crittenden enters his first season with the Chiefs after spending the 2012 season as a strength and conditioning assistant for the Philadelphia Eagles. Prior to entering the NFL, he served as the director of football operations and general manager of Competitive Edge Sports in Atlanta, Ga., for eight years (2004-11) where he led professional athletes through offseason training and also prepared collegiate football players for the NFL Combine and pro days. He also was an advisor at Speedworx Sports and a director of sports performance at 360 Football Academy. A Wichita Falls, Texas, native, he played football at Fork Union Military Academy (1999-00) before finishing his collegiate career at Virginia Military Institute (2000-03).

David Culley (Assistant Head Coach/Wide Receivers) – Entering his 20th season coaching in the NFL, Culley embarks on his first season as the Chiefs assistant head coach/wide receivers coach after coaching 14 campaigns in Philadelphia as wide receivers coach (1999-10) and senior offensive assistant/wide receivers coach (2011-12) for Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid. Culley originally joined the Eagles after a three-year stint as the Pittsburgh Steelers wide receivers coach (1996-98). His initial NFL coaching experience came with a two-year stay as the wide receivers coach for Tampa Bay (1994-95). A native of Sparta, Tenn., Culley was recruited by Bill Parcells as a quarterback at Vanderbilt University. He then broke into the coaching ranks overseeing the running backs at Austin Peay University (1978). Culley then returned to Vanderbilt to coach the wide receivers (1979-81). He had a series of one-year stops at Middle Tennessee State, Tennessee-Chattanooga, and Western Kentucky before spending four years as quarterbacks coach at Southwestern Louisiana. Culley jumped to the University of Texas-El Paso for a two-year stint as the offensive coordinator/running backs/wide receivers coach (1989-90) before joining the staff at Texas A&M to coach the wide receivers (1991-93). He graduated from Vanderbilt University with a degree in health and physical education.

Mike Frazier (Statistical Analysis Coordinator) – Frazier enters his first season with the Chiefs as the statistical analysis coordinator after a nine-year stint in the same capacity for the Philadelphia Eagles. Frazier attended Wooster College (1999-03) and was hired by the Eagles upon graduation after completing internships with Smith Barney and Wachovia Securities as an undergrad.

Corey Matthaei (Quality Control) – Matthaei joins the Chiefs as one of the club’s quality control coaches. He most recently served three seasons under Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid with the Philadelphia Eagles as the assistant to the head coach from 2010-12. From 2008-09, Matthaei was a coaching assistant for the Eagles and spent 2006-07 as the club’s football operations assistant for training camp. Prior to joining Philadelphia, Matthaei played on the offensive line at Willamette University in Salem, Ore. (2003-06). After graduation, he served as Willamette’s offensive assistant in 2007.

Tom Melvin (Tight Ends) – Melvin becomes the Chiefs tight ends coach after coaching 14 seasons with the Philadelphia Eagles. In his final 11 seasons with Philadelphia, Melvin coached the team’s tight ends (2002-12) after serving as the team’s offensive assistant/quality control coach for his first three years. Under Melvin’s tutelage, Eagles TE Brent Celek emerged as one of the top tight ends in the NFL, catching 280 passes for 3,473 yards and 20 TDs in six years playing for Melvin and the Eagles. Melvin played on the offensive line at San Francisco State (1982-83) for Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid for one season (1983) while Reid served as offensive line coach for San Francisco State. Prior to joining the Eagles in 1999, Melvin was offensive coordinator and offensive line coach at Occidental College (1991-98) and served as offensive coordinator and offensive line coach at the University of California – Santa Barbara (1988-90). He oversaw the running backs, offensive line and tight ends at Northern Arizona (1986-87) after he began his coaching career at his alma mater, San Francisco State (1984-85), as a graduate assistant.

Matt Nagy (Quarterbacks) – Entering his third season in the NFL, Nagy was hired as Kansas City’s quarterbacks coach after serving the previous two seasons as the Philadelphia Eagles offensive quality control coach. Before being promoted to Philadelphia’s offensive quality control coach in 2011, Nagy served as a coaching assistant during the 2010 season after spending the 2008 and 2009 training camps as a coaching intern for the Eagles. A former quarterback for the Arena Football League, Nagy played six seasons for the New York Dragons (2002), Carolina Cobras (2004), Georgia Force (2005-06) and Columbus Destroyers (2007-08). During his AFL career, Nagy completed 65.5 percent of his passes for 18,866 yards, 374 touchdowns and a quarterback rating of 115.1. He played collegiately at Delaware, setting more than 20 career passing records at the time, still holding career marks for passing yards (8,214) and touchdowns (58). He ranks second for most career attempts (895) and most career completions (502) behind former Delaware and current Baltimore Ravens QB Joe Flacco. Nagy earned All-America honors as a senior for the Blue Hens.

Britt Reid (Quality Control) – Reid enters his first season in the NFL after spending three seasons with the Temple University Owls. At Temple, Reid served as a graduate assistant, working with the offensive side of the ball after a two-year stint as an offensive assistant while he completed his degree. In addition to his three years at Temple, Reid has worked the Steve Addazio football camp for the past two years and in 2008, he served as an assistant offensive line coach at St. Joseph’s Prep in Philadelphia. He got his first taste of NFL experience as a training camp coordinator for the Philadelphia Eagles in 2009. Reid is the son of Chiefs Head Coach Andy Reid.

Barry Rubin (Head Strength & Conditioning) – Rubin enters his first season with the Chiefs after serving the previous three seasons in the same capacity in Philadelphia (2010-12). Prior to being promoted to the Eagles head strength and conditioning coach position in 2010, he was an assistant for two years (2008-09). Before his move to Philadelphia, he spent seven years as the head strength and conditioning coach (1999-2005) and four years as an assistant (1995-98) for the Green Bay Packers. During his tenure in Green Bay, the Packers earned six division titles, two NFC championship titles and one Super Bowl victory under Head Coach Mike Holmgren. He also served as the strength coach at Northeast Louisiana (1982-83, 1987-90 and 1994) and LSU (1984-85). Rubin was inducted into the USA Strength and Conditioning Coaches Hall of Fame in 2003. He was a tight end and punter at Northwestern (La.) State from 1978-80 after playing running back and punter at LSU from 1976-77.
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Arrowhead Pride did a write up on Sutton.

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Well, Chiefs fans, the latest reports say it's Bob Sutton for defensive coordinator. For most, this is a very underwhelming move. Chiefs fans were hoping to really get a big name guy to turn the talent on this team around. Unfortunately, with all the head coaching jobs open, solid coordinators were being picked for head coaching jobs, or are still holding out for them.

The Chiefs have their guy, though, so let's take a look at what he's done in his career.

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After doing just about everything in the college game for various teams (linebackers coach, running backs coach, defensive coordinator, quarterbacks coach, offensive coordinator, and wide receivers coach), Sutton landed at Army. He started there as a defensive coordinator from 1983-1991, where he then took over as head coach. He went 44-55-1 over the next nine years, with 1996's birth in the Independence Bowl (and top 25 ranking) earning him the Bobby Dodd Coach of the Year award.

He joined the New York Jets in 2000 as a linebackers coach. At that time, the Jets still had a 3-4 system installed. In that year, he gave outside linebacker Mo Lewis the most opportunities to rush the passer he'd had in his career and sent him to his third consecutive Pro Bowl with 10 sacks and a pick.

For the next four years, the switch to the 4-3 defense was made. It wasn't very successful, and with Mo Lewis declining in ability and the trade of James Farrior, new linebacker Jonathan Vilma was shouldering most of the load. There were two different defensive coordinators during that time -- both retained Sutton as their linebackers coach. When Herm Edwards was traded after the 2005 season to our very own Chiefs, Eric Mangini stepped in as head coach and entrusted Sutton to run the defense after helping Vilma to a Pro Bowl nod the year before.

In 2006, the defense was a 2-gapping 3-4, but with some undersized players. Sutton had taken the Herm's Tampa 2 12th ranked defense and dropped it to 20th due in part to some key losses in Pro Bowlers Ty Law and John Abraham (via trades). The second ranked pass defense dropped to 14th, and the 29th ranked run defense stayed low at 24th. One thing that did improve that year, however, was that the Jets all of the sudden had a top 10 team in points allowed.

The next year, Sutton got some help in the draft. The Jets took CB Darrelle Revis in the first round and LB David Harris in the second round to replace departing LB Jonathan Vilma, who was rumored to hate the switch to the 3-4. The increases in production were marginal, and fans began to doubt whether the team had the personnel to even run the defense that they were putting on the field. NJ.com even wrote an article questioning the decision making:

Nonetheless, Mangini insists he doesn't play the traditional 3-4 defense that requires a 350-pound nose tackle as an anchor. He says he uses an array of different fronts.

"The 3-4 comes in a lot of flavors," defensive coordinator Bob Sutton concurs.

Fact is, the Jets are trying to play the defense with 4-3 personnel. Only former Cowboys defensive end Kenyon Coleman, a fifth-year pro, has extensive experience in the defense. Privately, players are becoming increasingly frustrated by the restrictive nature of the 3-4 scheme.

The article then goes on to address Sutton's lack of creativity or attacking mentality:

The Jets, however, have only one sack and one turnover in three games.

Sutton said opponents have been negating his blitz schemes, in part, by throwing the ball quickly or protecting the quarterback. Screens have also been effective (as evidenced by the game against the Dolphins last week). Mangini added that "there's been consistency with our approach. It hasn't been 'We're only going to blitz (or) we're only going to cover.'"

Needless to say, there wasn't a whole lot of faith in the defense going into 2008. The Jets traded for Calvin Pace to play outside linebacker, giving Sutton another piece of the puzzle. They also went out and grabbed a real nose tackle in Kris Jenkins, who made the Pro Bowl alongside Revis that year. The run defense was top 10 with Jenkins in the middle, but (even with Pro Bowl Revis) the pass defense plummeted to 29th. The Jets missed the playoffs again, and they fired head coach Eric Mangini that year.

Rex Ryan was hired to take over the Jets, and appointed Mike Pettine as the defensive coordinator. Even after running the defense the year before, the Jets kept Sutton on as a linebackers coach and defensive assistant. Making some key additions to the front lines, the defense exploded, ranking first overall in points allowed, total defense, and pass defense, as well as eighth in rush defense. The defense played very well after moving away from a 2-gap defense and becoming 1-gap defenders on the front lines.

In the years to follow, there have been aspects of the game that the team has struggled with, but the defense has always been ranked a top 10 defense, as shown in the chart below:



For me, Sutton is a bit of an enigma. He's got experience in the Tampa 2 4-3, a 2-gap 3-4 similar to what the Chiefs are running now, and a 1-gap 3-4. The switch the the Jets made to the 3-4 wasn't initially successful under Sutton, but he also didn't really have the personnel to do it, which is the fault of both Mangini and Sutton. However, the pieces that had been acquired in those three years as defensive coordinator were set up perfectly for Rex Ryan to make an incredible attacking defense.

Throughout several transitions of defensive coordinators and head coaches, Sutton has been retained, which shows how well respected he is amongst NFL coaches. He hasn't really helmed a successful defense, but he's helped various players to some success. He hasn't really built a defense, but there's not a whole lot left to build on this Kansas City team.

He does run a 3-4, which I personally prefer to the 4-3, and he has seen the successes of Ryan's attacking 3-4. One would think that some of that has worked its way into his arsenal, and one would hope that his varied background could lead to some variants to maximize player potential. At the very least, I don't think he can "mess up the defense". Here's to hoping he can make it better.
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Arenas is like Flowers in this regard: When they get burnt, it doesn't look like they get burnt.

Carr was a whipping boy around here because when he got beat, he was out of position and it looked like he was getting smoked. Flowers, OTOH, would get beat when a bigger, faster guy would just flat take the ball away from him.

In the end, beat is beat. Flowers didn't get beat appreciably more often than Carr, but folks were harder on Carr because Flowers didn't look as bad in getting burned.

Arenas is the same way. He often looks like he's where he's supposed to be, but he's just a hair too slow or too small so the ball gets caught. He looks like he had 'decent coverage', but in the end his physical limitations are just too much for him to be very good (because he's nowhere near as skilled as Flowers).

It's why he doesn't look awful on tape, but PFF just destroys him and his catch rates are so poor.

Close doesn't count in this league. Beat is beat and Arenas gets beat as often as anyone in the game. If you can improve on him as your nickle you should, let alone as your starter. He's an easily replaceable player, IMO.
Excellent points because I always think man he is right there to make the play and sometimes he does other time he doesn't.
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Wow so no Childress? Interesting

No Pederson either so they must be waiting
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