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Reid brings change in offensive philosophy to KC

Reid brings change in offensive philosophy


With Andy Reid now in charge as the head coach, the Chiefs' run-first mentality is about to change dramatically. (Brad Mills-USA TODAY SPORTS)

January 5, 2013

KANSAS CITY, Mo. – No team in the entire AFC passed the ball fewer times (475) than the Chiefs did in 2012.

And that is an astonishing fact for a team that didn't actually lead in a game in regulation until the ninth game of the season. It is also almost unfathomable for a team that finished 2-14 and lost nine of its games by 15 or more points.

But with Andy Reid now in charge as the new Chiefs' head coach, that run-run-run approach is about to change dramatically.

Chiefs fans should be prepared, and perhaps excited, for a seismic shift in offensive philosophy.

Reid will bring to Kansas City the West Coast version of offense he learned under Mike Holmgren in Green Bay, an offense Reid then personalized in 14 years as the Eagles coach.

Reid also will bring with him a personnel strategy he learned by watching Ron Wolf in Green Bay, a strategy that focuses more on acquiring beefy, pass-protecting offensive linemen and mobile, strong-armed quarterbacks than it does on flashy skill-set players such as running backs and wide receivers.

Under the Chiefs' last three coaches – Herm Edwards, Todd Haley and Romeo Crennel – the Chiefs steered away from putting the game in the hands of the quarterback.

That also will change, most likely immediately, as Reid will entertain his options with the No. 1 overall pick. In Green Bay, Wolf early on targeted a trade with the Falcons for a young, strong-armed quarterback named Brett Favre, whom Reid worked with as the Packers' quarterbacks coach.

Reid's first move in Philadelphia was spending his first draft pick on quarterback Donovan McNabb. Reid may do the same in Kansas City, perhaps using that first pick on West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith.

And don't be surprised if Reid also swings a deal for Seattle backup quarterback Matt Flynn, who tutored under Mike McCarthy in Green Bay. Reid is friends with Seahawks general manager John Schneider, who worked with Reid in Green Bay in the 1990s.

It seems more than likely that Reid will clean out the Chiefs' quarterback stable of Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn and Ricky Stanzi, none of whom seem suited to operate Reid's version of the West Coast offense, which not only emphasizes precision timing on slant and crossing routes but also requires touch on long, vertical throws.

It is an offense Chiefs fans will recall from the mid-1990s when Marty Schottenheimer was coach. Schottenheimer and general manager Carl Peterson not only brought in Joe Montana, but they also hired offensive coordinator Paul Hackett, another West Coast offense disciple, to change offensive philosophies.

“There are a lot of versions of that type of offense,” Schottenheimer told FOXSportsKansasCity.com. “We still had an emphasis on the run, but a lot of those short passes and completions were the same as a run. You want to keep gaining yards, keep the down and distance short, keep moving the chains.

“That's what we tried to do and that's what Joe was so good at. Then you take your shots down field.”

That is precisely Reid's philosophy, and Schottenheimer believes it will work with the Chiefs.

“They definitely have some talent on that roster,” Schottenheimer said. “Obviously it will have to start with the quarterback and (Reid) will determine what he wants there.”

Schottenheimer, by the way, gives the Reid hiring a thumbs up. Schottenheimer spoke with Chiefs owner Clark Hunt “a few times” over the last couple of months but said he wouldn't classify his role as a consultant during the coaching search.

“I presented my opinion on certain matters,” Schottenheimer said.

Reid, like Schottenheimer when he took over the Chiefs in 1989, will be in a hurry-up mode to install his system, starting with personnel.

Reid's approach in that area is similar to Wolf's – invest your resources in a quarterback and an offensive line to protect him. That strategy will be reinforced particularly if Reid and the Chiefs land Packers director of football operations John Dorsey as their new general manager. Dorsey tutored under Wolf and then later Ted Thompson.

One of Reid's early moves in Philadelphia was signing free-agent offensive tackle Jon Runyan to a six-year, $30 million contract, which at the time made Runyan the highest paid offensive lineman in NFL history.

That becomes significant now as the Chiefs will have to decide on their own free-agent left tackle Branden Albert, who may be in for a huge payday with Reid in charge.

Reid also will have to find a replacement for guard/center Ryan Lilja, who announced his retirement after this season.

Another player heading for free-agency is wide receiver Dwayne Bowe, whom the Chiefs franchised last year. At 6 feet 2 and 221 pounds, Bowe fits the mold of receivers Reid prefers – big and physical.

But it remains to be seen whether Reid believes he can cure Bowe of his tendency to drop passes and play soft, or if he chooses to look for a No. 1 receiver elsewhere.

Jamaal Charles' role is likely to be affected the most under Reid.

Charles ran the ball 285 times last season with Crennel as coach but there's virtually no chance Charles will run the ball that many times again in a season under Reid.

Instead, Charles likely will become a bigger threat out of the backfield as a receiver. The most passes Charles has caught in a season is 45. That number may virtually double in Reid's offense.

That versatility is key for any running back playing for Reid, whose favorite all-time back was Brian Westbrook.

“I never coached a running back as smart as him,” Reid once said of Westbrook.

Speedy wideout Dexter McCluster may also see his role change under Reid, who may take McCluster out of the slot and insert him more in the backfield.

“The key for any coach coming in is get the system you want in place and get the people you want in place,” Schottenheimer said. “You change the culture.”

And change is starting now at One Arrowhead Drive.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:11 PM   #31
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According to ESPN's Adam Schefter, Matt Flynn's perceived value around the league is "not as high as many people think."

Flynn's name has come up in trade speculation, but only the Dolphins and Seahawks were "mildly" interested in Flynn last offseason, and he didn't play in 2012. So he didn't have an opportunity to show his wares as a potential NFL starter. Most likely, Flynn will be back for one more season in Seattle. He's owed a $5.25 million base salary in 2013, $2 million of which is guaranteed.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:14 PM   #32
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It would almost completely depend on Baldwin's desire and attitude. If Baldwin wanted to learn and make the switch, he could.


Maybe Reid can fix him as a WR, maybe nobody can fix him. It might be just a conditioning change.
I've seen just enough flash from him to think he still has a shot at receiver.

Mostly a disappointment, but he's had his moments.

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Old 01-11-2013, 03:21 PM   #33
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Reid turns McCluster into our Desean Jackson
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:34 PM   #34
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Reid turns McCluster into our Desean Jackson
Based on nothing other than Reid's 2010 infatuation with his skill set coming out of college, I see him more as a Brian Westbrook or a Jason Avant.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:40 PM   #35
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Based on nothing other than Reid's 2010 infatuation with his skill set coming out of college, I see him more as a Brian Westbrook or a Jason Avant.
I don't know about Avant but McCluster doesn't have anything near the escapability of Westbrook. DmC can't make people miss so they need to scheme him to the open field.

DmC can still be productive though, get him in the open field where his quickness and speed can make an impact.
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How is it an option?

1. Flynn didn't really do anything in GB.....he had two good games.
2. Green Bay didn't want to pay to hang onto him and they didn't even deem him good enough to give him the franchise tag and try and find a trade partner.
3. He was supposed to be this QB that was going to get the next big payday. He was linked to a number of teams......and then he signed with the Seahawks for a "meh" sized contract.
4. All you heard after that was Flynn was going to be the starter.....and then he was beat out by a 3rd round QB who everyone thought was to small to play in the NFL.


Definitely sounds like a guy we should trade for.
I actually like Flynn...

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I know there's still plenty of Cassel stink on this idea, and I know it's not one that is generally successful, but I did watch the games that Flynn played and I really was impressed by his skill set (as opposed to Cassel's, who I stated from the start I did not care for).

I still want Geno, but we need 3 QBs in here and at least one of them needs to have been a pro for awhile. No, Flynn doesn't have a lot of game experience, but don't ever underestimate how important it is to have played football for a living.

Every day he wakes up and it's all football, all day. He's been immersed in the NFL game really since Geno was in High School. Flynn does have some experience in this league that would be very valuable on this roster.

I don't want to give up the farm for him, but his deal is actually very reasonble now that the signing bonus is covered by the signing party. If you're okay with spending a 3rd or 4th on a 2nd quarterback in the draft, why wouldn't you be okay with using a 4thish to acquire Flynn?

He'd be a nice addition as a guy that can start if Smith isn't catching on or as a very valuable backup.
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Reid turns McCluster into our Desean Jackson


Dont go overboard, but yeah, if dex has a future in the NFL its going to be with Reid.
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I don't know about Avant but McCluster doesn't have anything near the escapability of Westbrook. DmC can't make people miss so they need to scheme him to the open field.

DmC can still be productive though, get him in the open field where his quickness and speed can make an impact.
If there's an Avant on this roster, it's Breaston.

McCluster doesn't have anywhere close to the hands or awareness in space to be similar to Jason Avant.
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If you're okay with spending a 3rd or 4th on a 2nd quarterback in the draft, why wouldn't you be okay with using a 4thish to acquire Flynn?
Lets make it really simple.

We would not be ok with that because one of those choices (rhymes with "rat grin") has a known and not super high ceiling, while the other (draft pick) has what we call a "possibly Tom Brady" ceiling.


We've spent our years playing it safe, and now we're going to do something else.
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Lets make it really simple.

We would not be ok with that because one of those choices (rhymes with "rat grin") has a known and not super high ceiling, while the other (draft pick) has what we call a "possibly Tom Brady" ceiling.


We've spent our years playing it safe, and now we're going to do something else.
But that's what Geno Smith is for.

I wholly endorse the high risk pick at QB; we have very little to lose there. But there's no need to do it twice. Get your HR pick made, then get a good, competent, backup/spot starter in there.

I also think you're misstating when you say we know his ceiling and that it isn't very high. No, it's not Tom Brady, but it's Matt Schaub. If you could have Matt Schaub as a fallback position on this roster, wouldn't it make all the sense in the world?
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If there's an Avant on this roster, it's Breaston.

McCluster doesn't have anywhere close to the hands or awareness in space to be similar to Jason Avant.
Or size. . Avant is a much better NFL WR than DMC at this point. Not even close.
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If you could have Matt Schaub as a fallback position on this roster, wouldn't it make all the sense in the world?
If I'm choosing between Matt Schaub and Tom Brady I'm taking Tom Brady.

Is that who were picking between or is it really between Flynn and another QB in the draft?

I hear what you're saying, just don't agree.
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But that's what Geno Smith is for.

I wholly endorse the high risk pick at QB; we have very little to lose there. But there's no need to do it twice. Get your HR pick made, then get a good, competent, backup/spot starter in there.

I also think you're misstating when you say we know his ceiling and that it isn't very high. No, it's not Tom Brady, but it's Matt Schaub. If you could have Matt Schaub as a fallback position on this roster, wouldn't it make all the sense in the world?
This.


Geno is your Brady, now you gotta find your experienced Mark Brunnel type guy who can keep the ship on course for small amounts of time.
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