Home Mail MemberMap Chat (0) Wallpapers
Go Back   ChiefsPlanet > The Lounge > D.C.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-10-2013, 04:37 PM  
pr_capone pr_capone is offline
** *- -- -- *
 
pr_capone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Aguadilla
Casino cash: $8130
Wyoming proposes bill to nullify federal gun bans

http://washingtonexaminer.com/wyomin...s#.UO7yKJWuUlE

Quote:
Wyoming lawmakers have proposed a new bill that, if passed, would nullify any federal restrictions on guns, threatening to jail federal agents attempting to confiscate guns, ammunition magazines or ammunition.

The bill – HB0104 – states that “any federal law which attempts to ban a semi-automatic firearm or to limit the size of a magazine of a firearm or other limitation on firearms in this state shall be unenforceable in Wyoming.”

...
Posts: 18,391
pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 08:43 AM   #16
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
Bless FSU!
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $22790
Amnorix has a big brother interpretation of the Constitution

Nope the Constitution is only supreme where it has delegated a power. There is no power to ban guns due to the BoRs anyway. Thread title says "gun bans." Real ID was nullified which is a fact.
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Another one is John Roberts erred in his healthcare decision by calling it a tax. That bill did not originate in the House, where all revenue bills must originate. It came from the Senate using trickery. So if Roberts wants to rewrite a law as a tax, then he needs to look at where that bill originated.
__________________
“The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature.” ~ James Madison, Father of the Constitution

“We do not believe in aggressive or preventive war. Such war is the weapon of dictators, not of free democratic countries like the United States.”~ Truman, Sept 1, 1950
Posts: 59,760
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 08:48 AM   #17
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
Bless FSU!
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $22790
There's a list at the end of this page showing state nullifications in the 2000 era to date:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenth_A...s_Constitution
__________________
“The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature.” ~ James Madison, Father of the Constitution

“We do not believe in aggressive or preventive war. Such war is the weapon of dictators, not of free democratic countries like the United States.”~ Truman, Sept 1, 1950
Posts: 59,760
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 04:00 PM   #18
listopencil listopencil is offline
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $13378
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amnorix View Post
Good luck with that.
Originally Posted by The ****ing Constitution
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the constitution or laws of any state to the contrary notwithstanding.




Doesn't this mean that laws can't be enacted at a federal level that are not constitutional? So if a federal gun law was enacted, and a state passed a contradictory law, wouldn't that law then have to be brought to the Supreme Court to determine constitutionality?
__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 29,094
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 04:13 PM   #19
listopencil listopencil is offline
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $13378
Hmmm. I was just looking at a few articles. It would be possible (not necessarily probable, but possible) for the House to start up an impeachment of Obama if he attempted to use an executive order to create a strict gun ban. As far as I know they only need a simple majority to pass it and send it on to the Senate.
__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 29,094
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 05:01 PM   #20
teedubya teedubya is offline
Waiting Until Next Year!
 
teedubya's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2003
Casino cash: $13635
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amnorix View Post
Good luck with that.
An E.O. that changes the Constitution without Congress approval should be null and void. You shouldn't E.O. around Congress. It's bullshit.
Posts: 8,458
teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.teedubya is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 07:15 PM   #21
AustinChief AustinChief is offline
Administrator
 
AustinChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: Austin
Casino cash: $11441
Quote:
Originally Posted by teedubya View Post
An E.O. that changes the Constitution without Congress approval should be null and void. You shouldn't E.O. around Congress. It's bullshit.
It's time for Congress to sack up and cut funding to any agency that attempts to enforce these specious EOs. If Obama tries this shit to go around both Congress and the Constitution... cut funding to the Justice Department THAT DAY.
Posts: 15,154
AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.AustinChief has enough rep power to blowy ou to bits.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 07:22 PM   #22
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
Bless FSU!
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $22790
Quote:
Originally Posted by AustinChief View Post
It's time for Congress to sack up and cut funding to any agency that attempts to enforce these specious EOs. If Obama tries this shit to go around both Congress and the Constitution... cut funding to the Justice Department THAT DAY.
Yup! They have the power of the purse, is more powerful, but they feel intimidated for some reason. This was why I prefer to hold the House with someone like an Obama in the WH.
__________________
“The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature.” ~ James Madison, Father of the Constitution

“We do not believe in aggressive or preventive war. Such war is the weapon of dictators, not of free democratic countries like the United States.”~ Truman, Sept 1, 1950
Posts: 59,760
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 07:29 PM   #23
cosmo20002 cosmo20002 is offline
Debunking your bullshit
 
cosmo20002's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: KC area
Casino cash: $21944
Quote:
Originally Posted by listopencil View Post
Hmmm. I was just looking at a few articles. It would be possible (not necessarily probable, but possible) for the House to start up an impeachment of Obama if he attempted to use an executive order to create a strict gun ban. As far as I know they only need a simple majority to pass it and send it on to the Senate.
There is about as much chance of Obama creating a strict gun ban through an EO as there is of him doing the presidential election cancellation many thought was imminent.
__________________
Posts: 20,450
cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.cosmo20002 is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 09:55 PM   #24
listopencil listopencil is offline
sic semper tyrannis
 
listopencil's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: In Partibus Infidelium
Casino cash: $13378
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 View Post
There is about as much chance of Obama creating a strict gun ban through an EO as there is of him doing the presidential election cancellation many thought was imminent.
The only rumor that I find to be substantive is from an anonymous aide saying that Obama might direct funding towards mental health care with an executive order. Biden did seem to imply that an executive order is clearly on the table to address the gun control aspect, but Biden strikes me as an ineffective bumbler put there to create hype. In any event you would think that the administration knows full well how dangerous it would be for them to attempt to enact gun control legislation via EO.
__________________
"As I walked out the door toward the gate that would lead to my freedom, I knew if I didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind I'd still be in prison."


Posts: 29,094
listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.listopencil is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-11-2013, 09:58 PM   #25
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
Bless FSU!
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $22790
Quote:
Originally Posted by cosmo20002 View Post
There is about as much chance of Obama creating a strict gun ban through an EO as there is of him doing the presidential election cancellation many thought was imminent.
Many? What do you consider many? A small handful of posters?
__________________
“The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature.” ~ James Madison, Father of the Constitution

“We do not believe in aggressive or preventive war. Such war is the weapon of dictators, not of free democratic countries like the United States.”~ Truman, Sept 1, 1950
Posts: 59,760
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 01:57 PM   #26
pr_capone pr_capone is offline
** *- -- -- *
 
pr_capone's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Aguadilla
Casino cash: $8130
Quote:
Originally Posted by frazod View Post
Nice. If only there were more than 70 people in Wyoming.

Texas needs to do this.
here you go...

http://www.khou.com/home/Woodlands-l...186577481.html

Quote:
THE WOODLANDS -- A Republican lawmaker from The Woodlands says he's trying to make sure the federal government doesn't take away our gun rights.

Don't mess with Texans or their guns. That’s how state Rep. Steve Toth (R-Woodlands) sees it.

Toth wants to make any new federal weapons ban illegal in the state of Texas.

“This is a hardened state. This isn't a good place for a criminal to show up and start shooting,” said Rep. Toth.

So, he’s proposing legislation that would make any federal law banning semiautomatic firearms or limiting the size of gun magazines unenforceable in the Lone Star State.

“We want to make sure this legislation protects the Second Amendment gun rights and the Tenth Amendment which is state sovereignty rights of Texans

This controversial idea comes on the heels of another state lawmaker, Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst, and his views about gun training for Texas teachers.

“In case we've got school personnel with a concealed handgun permit that are in that school and there's an active shooter, we don't want the children harmed we don't want the teacher harmed,” said Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst.

Under his plan, the state would foot the bill for gun training. The decision to allow for concealed weapons on campus would be made district by district.

“You're not turning the schools into an armed camp with a lot of police officers,” said Dewhurst. “At the same time, you're sending a message if you publicize it to bad people, stay away from our children.”

But the lieutenant governor's idea isn't exactly sitting well with some parents.

“I don't believe in guns, so I believe in ban gun period,” said parent Tina Swangphol.

“Maybe there could be another way,” said parent Patricia Pittman. “I know they need to be trained, but it shouldn't come out of taxpayer money.”

The debate over teachers and guns will no doubt be a hot topic in Austin, but Rep. Toth believes his proposed Firearm Protection Act will easily pass.

Under his plan, anyone trying to enforce a federal gun ban could be charged with a felony in Texas.
As to the bolded part... nice that just because she doesn't believe in them they should be banned all around. Completely reasonable.
Posts: 18,391
pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.pr_capone is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 02:01 PM   #27
Frazod Frazod is offline
Banned
 
Frazod's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2000
Location: my own personal pig hell
Casino cash: $5050
Good.

One thing that really should happen if OStalin really does try to make an end-run around Congress and attack the Constitution - impeachment proceedings should begin immediately.
Posts: 91,125
Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.Frazod < Tried to steal Andy's chili fries.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 02:02 PM   #28
BigRedChief BigRedChief is offline
Brainwashed
 
BigRedChief's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Swims with fishes
Casino cash: $18426
VARSITY
Quote:
Originally Posted by WV View Post
Interesting approach, can't see it working though.
Never stand up. Just political posturing.
__________________
If you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu
Posts: 44,835
BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.BigRedChief is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-12-2013, 05:25 PM   #29
KChiefer KChiefer is offline
Fantastic Planeteer
 
KChiefer's Avatar
 

Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Champaign, IL
Casino cash: $6821
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigRedChief View Post
Never stand up. Just political posturing.
Maybe we have a surplus of blood-pressure medication that's he wanted to unload.
Posts: 4,943
KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.KChiefer wants to die in a aids tree fire.
  Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2013, 09:26 AM   #30
BucEyedPea BucEyedPea is offline
Bless FSU!
 
BucEyedPea's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: None of your business
Casino cash: $22790
The BEST part of this Wyoming bill is that it jails Federal Agents:

Quote:
Any federal official attempting to enforce unconstitutional statutes or decrees infringing on gun rights passed after January 1 of this year would be charged with a felony. If convicted, criminal officials would be punished by up to five years in state prison and a $5,000 fine. The legislation also authorizes the state attorney general to defend citizens of Wyoming if federal authorities seek prosecutions under unconstitutional gun control rules.
Support for similar measures is exploding in other parts of the nation.
__________________
“The power to declare war, including the power of judging the causes of war, is fully and exclusively vested in the legislature.” ~ James Madison, Father of the Constitution

“We do not believe in aggressive or preventive war. Such war is the weapon of dictators, not of free democratic countries like the United States.”~ Truman, Sept 1, 1950
Posts: 59,760
BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.BucEyedPea is obviously part of the inner Circle.
  Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:10 AM.


This is a test for a client's site.
A new website that shows member-created construction site listings that need fill or have excess fill. Dirt Monkey @ https://DirtMonkey.net
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.0
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.