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Old 01-12-2013, 06:53 PM  
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John Dorsey agrees to be the Chiefs next GM

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John Dorsey agrees to be the Chiefs next GM. More info to come. #Chiefs
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:21 AM   #316
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How about that...KC > NY.
Unless your name is Ian Rapaport. In which case, KC < The rest of the NFL.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:22 AM   #317
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Yes, I recognize the difference. I am not looking at this thread in a vacuum. I know that you have several threads where you said we need to blow this defense up and have implied we need lots of elite pass rushers.

We don't get pass rush from our LBs or Safeties because Romeo doesn't blitz enough. Berry and DJ are more than capable of blitzing effectively in a zone blitz. They just need a scheme to let them loose. On the D-line, modern 3-4's allow the D-line to stunt. Romeo has our guys reading and reacting the majority of the time, and playing a pure gap-control.

Scheme is going to fix a lot of our pass rush problems. If not, there's 2 guys (our DEs)... and it's possible we have 1 or 2 quality roster guys already, but they just need a scheme that will let them loose.
i find it hard to believe scheme is going to fix our pass rush

i do think that scheme + some new players at certain positions, will in fact, improve our pass rush tenfold.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:23 AM   #318
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Don't blame the candidates because they'd be walking into a position to fail. Coach in place whom he doesn't want? Check. QBs in place whom he doesn't want and one whom he likely can't get rid of because of contract? Check.

Should have nuked the entire thing, but some people are just too stubborn or stupid to realize this.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:24 AM   #319
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i find it hard to believe scheme is going to fix our pass rush

i do think that scheme + some new players at certain positions, will in fact, improve our pass rush tenfold.
It'll go a long way in helping. Definitely need 2 new DEs.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:25 AM   #320
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If the Jets would commit to part with Rex Ryan and draft a new QB if a new GM came in, they wouldn't be in this situation. Basically what is going to happen is some GM will come in having to inherit this mess and then hope he can make a move after next season with those two issues. The Jets have been a freaking circus as of late.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:28 AM   #321
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Chiefs do need one more pass rusher. But the notion you need 5 or 6 is ****ing laughable.

The Texans have 2 guys right now who could generate pressure and they get a ton of it.

Romeo isn't an attacking DC by any means.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:29 AM   #322
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i find it hard to believe scheme is going to fix our pass rush

i do think that scheme + some new players at certain positions, will in fact, improve our pass rush tenfold.
I didn't say scheme fixes our pass rush. I'm saying scheme and soft coaching are a symptom of a lot of our problems. Of course the goal is to get better at a lot of positions. But right now, the mission critical guy is we're missing a 5-technique who can pass rush (Pitoutua already knows the Ryan 46). If we're running a Ryan 46, we probably need a Free Safety with a lot of range too. Two pretty easy fixes.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:32 AM   #323
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Chiefs do need one more pass rusher. But the notion you need 5 or 6 is ****ing laughable.

The Texans have 2 guys right now who could generate pressure and they get a ton of it.

Romeo isn't an attacking DC by any means.
The Texans have like 5 guys.

JJ Watt
Antonio Smith
Brooks Reed
Connor Barwin
Whitney Mercilus
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:34 AM   #324
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I think our system had as much to do with the fault in pass rush than anything. Sure it could be upgraded at certain positions (namely DE).
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:34 AM   #325
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Chiefs do need one more pass rusher. But the notion you need 5 or 6 is ****ing laughable.

The Texans have 2 guys right now who could generate pressure and they get a ton of it.

Romeo isn't an attacking DC by any means.
It's hard to know how bad our defense is. Statistically, only 3 teams gave up more yards per play -- that is horrifying, but how much of that was Crennel's schemes, and more importantly, his over the top lax, no accountability "coaching"?
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:36 AM   #326
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i distinctly remember a game this season where Tyson Jackson got TWO COVERAGE sacks by pure lack and this place just laughing at him, not be cause he generated a pass rush to save his life, because our secondary and LBers had to go above and beyond a typical coverage to have a QB walk into a guy that can't generate any push whats so ever for like 8 seconds

that's not the scheme. that's just bad pass rush.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:37 AM   #327
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I don't think anyone can deny we need major upgrade at the DE spots.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:38 AM   #328
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and a couple LBers

we not only need a starting ILBer but we need rotational pass rushers, whether they are OLBers or DEs.

REAL ONES. Not ****ing Andy Studebaker or Allen Bailey or Jerrell Powe or whatever turd gets a free pass around here.

So milkman's point was right. QB + pass rushers. Whether its a DE, LBer, NT, whatever. A player that generates a push is fine.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:39 AM   #329
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The Texans have like 5 guys.

JJ Watt
Antonio Smith
Brooks Reed
Connor Barwin
Whitney Mercilus
My bad about Mercilus and didn't realize Smith had that many sacks.

However, Smith is hardly a pass rusher and most of his sacks could be attributed to scheme.

Scheme absolutely will help a lot of these numbers if it's an attacking one-gap style.

Chiefs need one more impact rusher, but having 3 guys that can bring heat will do nothing but free up the down lineman to make plays.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:42 AM   #330
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Well, keep in mind that Chuck Cook was scouting director that headed up some really horrible drafts under Lynn Stiles and Carl Peterson. Amazing how much better those sames scouts looked when they started providing information to a good leader who knew what to do with it. Scouts are only as good as the head personnel guys who know what to do with that information. It's very possible the scouts fed good scouting information to a incompetent boobs who had no concept of how to use that information.

I bet a lot of these scouts look a lot better when Dorsey gives them direction on who to scout, and makes better decisions based on information the scouts give him.
I' m assuming it's going to be the same scouts for this draft cause Dorsey won't have time to bring in all new ones now. But yes, new direction and leadership will help.
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