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Old 01-13-2013, 09:27 AM  
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How many years left for our best players?

I know we are a very young team overall but the idea of "rebuilding" again that could take 3-4 years scares the shit out of me. I am impatient after 43 years of waiting for a SB appearance and 20 years for a playoff win.

I would hate to have our best players fizzle out in the prime of their careers. These are the only guys I care about at this point as superstars and I didn't include Eric Berry or Justin Houston due to their youth

Any guesstimates?

Brandon Flowers
Derrick Johnson
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Brandon Albert
Jamaal Charles
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:40 AM   #31
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One of the things that is enfuriating about this organization is their inability to bring in a pipeline of young players who can replace the veterans. Peterson drafted like pure shit. Pioli decided he was going to target role players instead of drafting core positional talent. While other teams were taking risks on #1 wide receivers and QBs and CBs and left tackles in the early rounds, we were focusing on safeties, 5-techniques, slot receivers, and nickel backs. So we've got a team with very good support players. But you look at each of our core positions and there's nobody in line to take their jobs one day.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:42 AM   #32
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we do not have a team with good supporting players

we have good players
then crap.

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Old 01-13-2013, 10:43 AM   #33
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One of the things that is enfuriating about this organization is their inability to bring in a pipeline of young players who can replace the veterans. Peterson drafted like pure shit. ***** decided he was going to target role players instead of drafting core positional talent. While other teams were taking risks on #1 wide receivers and QBs and CBs and left tackles in the early rounds, we were focusing on safeties, 5-techniques, slot receivers, and nickel backs. So we've got a team with very good support players. But you look at each of our core positions and there's nobody in line to take their jobs one day.
I argue that safety is a core position in today's NFL.
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:58 AM   #34
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I argue that safety is a core position in today's NFL.
Absolutely. Safties are asked to do so many different things with the increase of teams using some form of the spread and super mobile qb's .
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:08 AM   #35
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The truth is somewhere in the middle.

We have a handful of good players, most of whom were acquired 5 years ago, or earlier, and shit everywhere else on the roster.
Yes. I also believe that many of the players have been hindered in their development by direct result of shitty QB play. Potentially they could have done better just with a QB who could deliver the ball on time and accurate.
So I try not to get in on the hate for the guys like Jon Baldwin & Dexter McCluster who have tallent and skills to be successful but fall way short of that mark. They both still may suck in reallity, but I'd like to see what they and this team as a whole could do with a QB that can play todays game.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:12 AM   #36
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Yes. I also believe that many of the players have been hindered in their development by direct result of shitty QB play. Potentially they could have done better just with a QB who could deliver the ball on time and accurate.
So I try not to get in on the hate for the guys like Jon Baldwin & Dexter McCluster who have tallent and skills to be successful but fall way short of that mark. They both still may suck in reallity, but I'd like to see what they and this team as a whole could do with a QB that can play todays game.
Jon Baldwin has failed to produce in the one area that he is supposed to excel at, going up and battling for the ball.

And Dexter McCluster is just a myth.

He is not a playmaker, he does not make people miss, he is not exceptionallly fast, nor exceptionally quick.

He is just a midget that brings nothing to the table.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:18 AM   #37
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They have plenty of tread on the tires, but the clock is ticking.

Never too early to draft playmakers at skill positions.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:28 AM   #38
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What sucks is that it is nearly impossible to accurately assess the talent level on this team due to Cassel's horrendous play and Quinn's futility.

This is almost going to be like drafting our entire team again from our active roster. You have to look at the guys' physical abilities, then project their past success/failure into the NFL. Because what we were last year was NOT NFL CALIBER.

Maybe Baldwin absolutely sucks. Maybe he got tired of being wide open 20 yards down field and watching the Midget get overthrown. Maybe a real QB will get him the ball AS HE IS GETTING OPEN and not seven minutes later when the defensive backs have all closed on him, taken a nap, had a cup of coffee, and planted a flag in his ass Far and Away style.

Maybe our offensive line will play with a little more grit when they have a real QB of real value behind them. This year felt like watching 5 Green Berets standing guard to make sure no one crushes a half eaten box of old Milk Duds. Eventually... you just stop caring.

I'd like to see our run game when the front seven isn't the front eleven and defenses aren't stuffing the box fuller than a 45 year old porn star going for one last payday.

I'd like to see our defensive line when the time of possession isn't 59:59 to 00:01.

However, Peyton Hilis can just **** right off, as can Tyson Jackson. Hillis never tried because he has no internal fortitude. Jackson tried hard, God bless him, but he just sucks.

The rest have to be reevaluated. Except Belcher, I guess.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:28 AM   #39
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Jon Baldwin has failed to produce in the one area that he is supposed to excel at, going up and battling for the ball.

And Dexter McCluster is just a myth.

He is not a playmaker, he does not make people miss, he is not exceptionallly fast, nor exceptionally quick.

He is just a midget that brings nothing to the table.
I still have hope for Baldwin. Cause he was a 1st rd pick I'm willing to let the new staff try and turn him around.

McCluster, they can cut the same day as Cassel.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:35 AM   #40
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I don't think we have seen the best out of Justin Houston. He gets a good LB coach and the sky is the limmet. We get a young QB like Geno Smith and the team becomes young again even with the older players mentioned. Those guys with Andy Reid will have something to play for. Ray Lewis isn't at his best and they are winning with the QB they picked from the draft.
My bad...just forgot about him.

Yeah, Houston belongs on the list as well and I think we have a good 6 years out of Houston before we have anything to worry about there.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:36 AM   #41
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:40 AM   #42
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Jon Baldwin has failed to produce in the one area that he is supposed to excel at, going up and battling for the ball.

And Dexter McCluster is just a myth.

He is not a playmaker, he does not make people miss, he is not exceptionallly fast, nor exceptionally quick.

He is just a midget that brings nothing to the table.
My hang up with Mcmidget is what he did in college against the Tenessee Volts. That was an amazing performance. I just root for the kid in that aspect I was hopeing against hope it would translate into the NFL. So far I have been disapoint, but also think he could do well with production from a real QB and coaching. I'm not going to argue he doesn't suck, reallity is > hope.
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:52 AM   #43
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:53 AM   #44
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:54 AM   #45
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Dexter MIGHT be serviceable if we get a QB who defenses can't just sit in the box and play against. Might be.


TBH, I like Wylie alot better in that role anyway, and he's nothing to write home about.
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