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Old 01-13-2013, 03:25 PM  
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Small, possibly misguided, rant...

I think icing the kicker in the NFL is dumb...
But...
If a time out is called, I don't think the kicker should be allowed that practice kick.
Players are expected to stop running full speed into a ball carrier on the whistle. Players are expected to veer away from a QB as soon as the ball leaves his hands. Players are expected to adjust their hitting angle based on the offensive player's head placement, all split second decisions. There's no reason a kicker can't stop on the whistle.
I understand that I'm comparing apples to oranges, and that the rules I mentioned are about "player safety," where kicking a free ball isn't. However, if I'm a defensive player, and the kicker is gonna get a chance to practice the exact kick he'll be trying, and everyone else has stopped, I'm blocking the damn thing... And then it does become a player safety issue.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:33 PM   #16
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Every other player on the field is expected to hear it, and react accordingly or be penalized. Are kickers just more inherently hard of hearing?
I dunno I've seen QB's launch the ball or spike it down when there is a whistle.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:34 PM   #17
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Oh wait.

That was just a reactionary insult.

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Seriously, though, I agree, Sully.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:34 PM   #18
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It did look like that. Maybe he was just pissed that it took the ref as long as it did to call the timeout, letting Bryant go through with the attempt and miss the first one?
Could be.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:36 PM   #19
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Note that the other examples you mention in the OP aren't reacting to a whistle - they're reacting to a visual cue on the field. Also note that there are many times when players keep going for 5-10 seconds after a whistle has blown because they can't hear it.
On the icing the kicker calls, 19 players stop, 8-11 of which are either launching themselves into a wedge or sprinting off blocks to get around the edge.
I'm ok with my argument ring a dumb one, but the "he can't hear" isn't why it is.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:36 PM   #20
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Sounds like a good reason for coaches to stop taking these stupid "icing" timeouts.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:37 PM   #21
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Oh wait.

That was just a reactionary insult.

Carry on.



Seriously, though, I agree, Sully.
I may never post again, pull a Costanza, and leave on this high note.

I'm out!!!
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:39 PM   #22
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On the icing the kicker calls, 19 players stop, 8-11 of which are either launching themselves into a wedge or sprinting off blocks to get around the edge.
I'm ok with my argument ring a dumb one, but the "he can't hear" isn't why it is.
Well, if your response to criticism of your point is "nuh uh," then I guess there's not much to debate here.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:40 PM   #23
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Sounds like a good reason for coaches to stop taking these stupid "icing" timeouts.
Yes.
Option A) no time out, team must run off and on all the correct players, and execute a kick under the adrenaline and pressure of a play clock and drive.
Option B) call time out. Team gets to make sure personnel is correct, take a breath, and practice the kick.

Odds in today's NFL of the kicker missing are small in either case, but I feel like there is more room for error in option a.
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:40 PM   #24
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Now here's a brilliant idea:

Why didn't the Seahawks use the 'ice' rule to their advantage? Run your kicker out there and instruct your center to hold the ball until he hears the play whistled dead. As soon as your kick team gets lined up and set, call a timeout.

Your center snaps it immediately and your kicker gets his 'practice' kick to see if he had the leg to pull off a 65 yarder.

What would prevent it?
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Old 01-13-2013, 03:42 PM   #25
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Well, if your response to criticism of your point is "nuh uh," then I guess there's not much to debate here.
It really wasn't. I cited evidence of it being bad logic (19 other players hear the whistle), and THEN said, "nuh uh."
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So in addition to concentrating on making a game winning FG, thinking about ball placement, field conditions, and the wind, the kicker should have to be carefully listen for an impending whistle amongst all the crowd noise to prevent getting a penalty that will take him out of FG range?
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Now here's a brilliant idea:

Why didn't the Seahawks use the 'ice' rule to their advantage? Run your kicker out there and instruct your center to hold the ball until he hears the play whistled dead. As soon as your kick team gets lined up and set, call a timeout.

Your center snaps it immediately and your kicker gets his 'practice' kick to see if he had the leg to pull off a 65 yarder.

What would prevent it?
Wow
That's a pretty good idea. I may pocket that for my own coaching endeavors.
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Now here's a brilliant idea:

Why didn't the Seahawks use the 'ice' rule to their advantage? Run your kicker out there and instruct your center to hold the ball until he hears the play whistled dead. As soon as your kick team gets lined up and set, call a timeout.

Your center snaps it immediately and your kicker gets his 'practice' kick to see if he had the leg to pull off a 65 yarder.

What would prevent it?
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Now here's a brilliant idea:

Why didn't the Seahawks use the 'ice' rule to their advantage? Run your kicker out there and instruct your center to hold the ball until he hears the play whistled dead. As soon as your kick team gets lined up and set, call a timeout.

Your center snaps it immediately and your kicker gets his 'practice' kick to see if he had the leg to pull off a 65 yarder.

What would prevent it?
If the Seahawks had a timout left, it would be better to hit a pass 20 yards across the middle, and immediately take the timeout to set up for the FG attempt.
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So in addition to concentrating on making a game winning FG, thinking about ball placement, field conditions, and the wind, the kicker should have to be carefully listen for an impending whistle amongst all the crowd noise to prevent getting a penalty that will take him out of FG range?
The holder could pull the ball.
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