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Old 01-14-2013, 07:34 PM  
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New York the rest of the United States says thank you!!

I'm sorry in the short term for NY gun owners but in the long term this will likely result in only good supreme court rulings. I suspect this won't even be permitted to go into effect. Paging Alan Gura time to earn some money in NYS!

Basically they're declaring an assault weapon as anything having even one feature. 7 round magazine limits and removal of the old grandfathering in 94 of larger capacity magazines. If you don't destroy them you're a felon!

This one is going to get squarely kicked in the nuts by the courts. Which is good, if they went less extreme the Supreme Court might not rule so harshly against them. This way not only will they lose their HiCap and AW bans, but almost certainly every other state in the union too.

Sucks for you in the short term NY, but your sacrifice will pay off in the long term!

Talk about taking one for the team!

http://news.yahoo.com/ny-senate-lead...172207666.html

NY Senate leader says he expects gun control bill
By MICHAEL GORMLEY | Associated Press – 8 hrs ago

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) — A key New York Senate leader said he expects the state Legislature to vote Monday to enact what would be the nation's first gun control measure following last month's Connecticut school shooting.

"I think when all is said and done, we are going to pass a comprehensive gun bill today," Klein told reporters Monday morning. "I'm very excited about it. I am very confident we are going to vote on a comprehensive bill that will be agreed on by the governor, the Senate and Assembly."

People familiar with closed-door negotiations told The Associated Press a tentative deal was struck over the weekend.

The tentative agreement would further restrict New York's ban on assault weapons, limit the size of magazines to seven bullets, down from the current 10, and enact more stringent background checks for sales. Other elements, pushed by Republicans, would refine a mental health law to make it easier to confine people determined to be a threat to themselves or others.

Senate Republicans also have included a further crackdown on illegal gun trafficking into New York, the people said. Most New York City gun crimes involve weapons illegally brought into the state, state and city officials say.

The people spoke on condition of anonymity because the proposal had not been discussed among rank and file legislators. They say the tentative deal will be debated behind closed doors Monday in the Senate and the Democrat-led Assembly and could be sent to the floor for a vote Monday.

A Cuomo administration official, who also spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal was not final, said there was no agreement yet.

A vote Monday would come exactly one month after a gunman killed 20 children and six adults inside Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.

The vote also would require Cuomo to issue a "message of necessity" that would dispense with the three days of public review that bills are supposed to have under the state constitution. There was no immediate comment from Cuomo, who made these gun control provisions a keynote of his State of the State address on Wednesday.

The negotiations faced several challenges.

The bill will be the first test of the new coalition in control of the state Senate, which has long been run by Republicans opposed to gun control measures. The chamber is now in the hands of Republicans and five breakaway Democrats led by Klein, an arrangement expected to result in more progressive legislation.

Former Republican Sen. Michael Balboni said that for legislators from the more conservative upstate region of New York, gun control "has the intensity of the gay marriage issue." In 2011, three of four Republicans who crossed the aisle to vote for same-sex marriage ended up losing their jobs because of their votes.

"It was always startling to me the vast cultural divide between New York City metropolitan view on gun control and most of the upstate communities," said Balboni, who represented part of Long Island for 10 years and was a Senate leader.

"Gun advocates see these incidents as almost cyclical and that in the wake of a national shooting incident, they have seen repeated calls for control," he said Monday. "They view it as a slippery slope to the banning and confiscation of weapons. Emotions run high and there will be tremendous pressure on all upstate legislators, Republicans and Democrats, to keep their base."

Also a concern is a major gun manufacturer in upstate New York.

Remington Arms Co. makes the Bushmaster semi-automatic rifle that was used in the Connecticut shootings and again on Christmas Eve in Webster, N.Y., when two firefighters were slain responding to a fire. The two-century-old Remington factory in Ilion in central New York employs 1,000 workers in a Republican Senate district.

Republican Assemblyman Marc Butler warned last week that a more restrictive assault weapon ban could cost the factory 300 jobs.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:12 PM   #16
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:35 PM   #17
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I watched the session on local TV this afternoon as the ASSembly passed in favor the NYSAFE act 104-43. Sucks to be me. I'm a criminal now I guess. Won't even be able to buy ammo online without it being shipped to an FFL and BG check. One "scary feature" is all it takes to define an assault rifle......FML. I have to register all my guns and re-up every five years or else my "license" is revoked, thereby making me a criminal. I wanna move out of this Republik.
Whats amazing...these idiots think gun owners will register what we have??? Really??? Nice to know we are all criminals at that point. And I can't leave my guns to my kid? How the **** will they know? FU. Done.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:37 PM   #18
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I watched the session on local TV this afternoon as the ASSembly passed in favor the NYSAFE act 104-43. Sucks to be me. I'm a criminal now I guess. Won't even be able to buy ammo online without it being shipped to an FFL and BG check. One "scary feature" is all it takes to define an assault rifle......FML. I have to register all my guns and re-up every five years or else my "license" is revoked, thereby making me a criminal. I wanna move out of this Republik.
That sucks. I figure Connecticut is just (or will be just) as bad. Is New Jersey completely ****ed as well?
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:42 PM   #19
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New York will sell that it works because NYC has a lower murder rate than other large metro areas. What they won't tell you is NYC has about twice as many police officers per person than any other city.
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Old 01-15-2013, 06:50 PM   #20
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That sucks. I figure Connecticut is just (or will be just) as bad. Is New Jersey completely ****ed as well?
NJ, I believe, is worse. I say that only because I know the gun shops I frequent, they get a lot of business from guys that come up from NJ.

Connecticut, OTOH, at least you can buy hi-cap mags there. I drive to BPS in Hartford a couple times a year to get stuff like that that I can't get here(10 round limit....oops make that 7 now ). I don't know about their policy on scary assault weapons though. Pretty sure I saw some behind the counter there.
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NJ, I believe, is worse. I say that only because I know the gun shops I frequent, they get a lot of business from guys that come up from NJ.

Connecticut, OTOH, at least you can buy hi-cap mags there. I drive to BPS in Hartford a couple times a year to get stuff like that that I can't get here(10 round limit....oops make that 7 now ). I don't know about their policy on scary assault weapons though. Pretty sure I saw some behind the counter there.
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New York will sell that it works because NYC has a lower murder rate than other large metro areas. What they won't tell you is NYC has about twice as many police officers per person than any other city.
Well part of it is the cops and part of it is the fact that they've priced the gang bangers out of the market. Capitalism works...but people hate it so they call it 'gentrification'. The you have the civil rights issues like cops stop and frisk people just because they're black. Hell sure NYC crime dropped radically in the 2000s , but stop and frisk behavior by the NYPD also increased by 600%. Think it was because guns were banned? Or because they detain and frisk 700K people a year? Think about that ~8% or so of the entire NYC population is effectively stopped and frisked once per year. Granted the vast majority of them are minority and male.

Which civil rights violation do you think contributed most to a drop in crime? Prevented legal gun owners from having guns in NYC or frisking every black male walking down the street because he 'might' have a gun?
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NY is officially the worst state to own a gun.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/...mbly-for-vote/

Here is a list of the newest gun control regulations:

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- Further restrict assault weapons to define them by a single feature, such as a pistol grip. Current law requires two features.

- Make the unsafe storage of assault weapons a misdemeanor.

- Mandate a police registry of assault weapons.

- Establish a state registry for all private sales, with a background check done through a licensed dealer for a fee, excluding sales to immediate relatives.

- Require a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally to report the threat to a mental health director who would then have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient’s gun could be taken from him or her.

- Ban the Internet sale of assault weapons.

- Require stores that sell ammunition to register with the state, run background checks on buyers of bullets and keep an electronic database of bullet sales.

- Restrict ammunition magazines to seven bullets, from the current national standard of 10. Current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. Someone caught with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

- Require that stolen guns be reported within 24 hours. Otherwise, the owner would face a possible misdemeanor.

- Increase sentences for gun crimes including for taking a gun on school property.

- Increase penalties for shooting first responders, called the “Webster provision.” Two firefighters were killed when shot by a person who set a fire in the western New York town of Webster last month. The crime would be punishable by life in prison without parole.

- Limit the state records law to protect handgun owners from being identified publicly. The provision would allow a handgun permit holder a means to maintain privacy under the Freedom of Information law.

- Require pistol permit holders or those who will be registered as owners of assault rifles to be recertified at least every five years to make sure they are still legally able to own the guns.
The only thing I agree with is keeping gun owners from being outed publicly. The nuttiest regulation is having to get a background check for buying ammo.

I feel sorry for any gun owners in NY. I have a feeling that other blue states will follow with similar anti-gun regulations.
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Restrict ammunition magazines to seven bullets, from the current national standard of 10. Current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. Someone caught with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.
Pfft.....BFD. I mean a misdeneanor threat is really going to do .....well....not shit...
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Restrict ammunition magazines to seven bullets, from the current national standard of 10. Current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. Someone caught with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.
In fact, this reminds me of some comedian I heard way way back when....

Dude gets pulled over in Montana for speeding...
Cop says "you know, we have a stiff penalty here for speeding. It's gonna be $5!"
Dude says "$5? Here's $20 and I'm speeding through your whole ****ing state!"
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Old 01-15-2013, 08:56 PM   #26
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NY is officially the worst state to own a gun.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/01/...mbly-for-vote/

Here is a list of the newest gun control regulations:



The only thing I agree with is keeping gun owners from being outed publicly. The nuttiest regulation is having to get a background check for buying ammo.

I feel sorry for any gun owners in NY. I have a feeling that other blue states will follow with similar anti-gun regulations.
Thankfully they make 7 round 458 SOCOM magazines......

http://www.sogarmory.com/Product.aspx?ProductId=104605

(and if you know anything about the 458 SOCOM round you'll also know that it's 7 round magazine is identical to a 20rd 5.56 magazine...followers and all....)
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"- Require a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally to report the threat to a mental health director who would then have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient’s gun could be taken from him or her."


Or else.....? What is the punishment if they don't? And how can they prove it? And what rights does the therapist have in client-professional confidentiality privilege?
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Wow...just wow....from the debate on the NY gun laws....

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A man protected by bodyguards that carry semi-automatic weapons with high-capacity magazines wants to tell you that you yourself are not allowed to carry the same to protect you. Isn't our country lovely?
the epitome of hypocrisy. americans with any sense ought to be embarrassed.
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Looks like the dumbass NY libtards forgot to exempt LEO's from the 7-round magazine limit.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?se...ork&id=8958116

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NEW YORK (WABC) -- It appears someone forgot to exempt police officers from the ban of ammunition clips with more than 7 bullets in New York State's new gun control law.

It's a big oversight that apparently happened in the haste by the Cuomo Administration to get a tough package of gun-control measures signed into law.

On Tuesday, Governor Andrew Cuomo signed the sweeping gun measure, the nation's toughest. It includes a ban on the possession of high-capacity magazines.

Specifically, magazines with more than 7 rounds will be illegal under the new law.
The problem as the statute is currently written does NOT exempt law enforcement officers.

The NYPD, the State Police and virtually every law enforcement agency in the state carry 9-milli-meter guns, which have a 15-round capacity.

Unless an exemption is added by the time the law takes effect in March, police would technically be in violation of the new gun measure.

Within the last hour, the Patrolman's Benevolent Association President released a statement saying, "The PBA is actively working to enact changes to this law that will provide the appropriate exemptions from the law for active and retired law enforcement officers."

State Senator Eric Adams, a former NYPD Captain, told us he's going to push for an amendment next week to exempt police officers from the high-capacity magazine ban. In his words, "You can't give more ammo to the criminals"

A spokesman for the Governor's office called us to say, "We are still working out some details of the law and the exemption will be included."
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