BRC's propsed gun control legislation

[BigRedChief]

I'm a known Obama supporter on here. I also have a long standing belief that gun control legislation usually doesn't work and besides...and this is not a small thing in the discussion..........the constitution is clear, the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed. Thats why even though I don't own guns or hunt that I've been a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. The constitution is clear.

I understand that the constitution is also very clear on free speech but we restrict free speech in some circumstances (libel, yelling fire etc.). Thats the test that I've always used in evaluating any gun control legislation. If we allow and support the real ugly and reprehensible parts of free speech such as the Nazi's marching in a Jewish neighborhood then the Democrats must do the same with allowing gun owners that freedom guaranteed under the Constitution.

The Republicans have to be open to some limitations on gun control along the same lines as the limits we put on free speech.

The compromise:

1. Forbid the mentally ill to own guns of any kind.
2. Forbid those who have been found guilty of violence against fellow citizens from owning guns.
3. Make illegal the purchase and ownership of armor piercing bullets.
4. Make illegal any ammunition clips greater than 10 rounds. (Exception could be in place for gun ranges)
5. Make laws that punish gun owners if their own registered guns are used to commit crimes.
6. Closing the gun show loophole.

#1 and #2 are easy. No one should be against those proposals.
#3 There is no need reason for an individual citizen to own armor piercing bullets.
#4 This is the key. The Ft. Hood, Va. tech, Gabby Giffords shooter were all stopped when their ammo clips ran out and they stop to reload. We can limit the body count if they have to stop to reload a clip even if it takes only 3-5 seconds.
#5 Gun owners should already be securing their firearms so that kids, mentally ill, suicidal people don't have access to their guns. This would have prevented Shady Hook.
#6 You buy a gun at your local shop they perform a background check but buy at a gun show they don't? Thats idiotic. If there is a background check, it applies to gun shows.



What got left off the table:

• Assault weapons ban. It was already in effect for 10 years. It didn't lower crime. It doesn't meet the first amendment Nazi's marching test. The constitution is about the rights to own guns, not how many bullets that gun can fire.
• Mental illness legislation. A different discussion.

[BigRedChief]

uhhhh 19 no's on my plan. 4 yes's. You Republicans need to realize when to cut a deal. You think you will get better than this deal now?

You had $10 of spending cuts for every $ of additional tax revenue. You said **** that. You ended up taking $ to $. Brilliant!

Compromise is not a dirty word. It's how we get along with each other.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

uhhhh 19 no's on my plan. 4 yes's. You Republicans need to realize when to cut a deal. You think you will get better than this deal now?

You had $10 of spending cuts for every $ of additional tax revenue. You said **** that. You ended up taking $ to $. Brilliant!

Compromise is not a dirty word. It's how we get along with each other.

HTF do you know how many rounds of ammo someone needs to defend themselves? Sorry, my life is not up for compromise because dumb**** Liberals want to exploit a tragedy for their own utopian bullshit with policies based on nothing but emotion and void of any substance to support their "propositions".

[BucEyedPea]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

uhhhh 19 no's on my plan. 4 yes's. You Republicans need to realize when to cut a deal. You think you will get better than this deal now?

You had $10 of spending cuts for every $ of additional tax revenue. You said **** that. You ended up taking $ to $. Brilliant!

Compromise is not a dirty word. It's how we get along with each other.

How would you feel if we had speech control. How many times you could speak a day?

[Brock]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

uhhhh 19 no's on my plan. 4 yes's. You Republicans need to realize when to cut a deal. You think you will get better than this deal now?

You had $10 of spending cuts for every $ of additional tax revenue. You said **** that. You ended up taking $ to $. Brilliant!

Compromise is not a dirty word. It's how we get along with each other.

The answer's still no. I stand with the constitution.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

HTF do you know how many rounds of ammo someone needs to defend themselves? Sorry, my life is not up for compromise because dumb**** Liberals want to exploit a tragedy for their own utopian bullshit with policies based on nothing but emotion and void of any substance to support their "propositions".

Hey don't yell at me pal. I think an automatic weapon ban is a stupid idea that's already been proven to not work. I support 2nd amendment rights. The constitution is clear.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Brock

The answer's still no. I stand with the constitution.

As do I.

[petegz28]

And BTW, your #4 shows about how ignorant you are when it comes to the subject. Anyone who half-way knows what they are doing can dump and empty clip and load a new one and start firing in 1-2 secs if not faster.

But the overall point in which you fail is the entire aspect in which you approach the concept of the capacity of magazines.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Hey don't yell at me pal. I think an automatic weapon ban is a stupid idea that's already been proven to not work. I support 2nd amendment rights. The constitution is clear.

Yeah, I will when you say such stupid things. And once again you need to correct yourself. No one is asking for "automatic weapons" to not be banned.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

And BTW, your #4 shows about how ignorant you are when it comes to the subject. Anyone who half-way knows what they are doing can dump and empty clip and load a new one and start firing in 1-2 secs if not faster.

But the overall point in which you fail is the entire aspect in which you approach the concept of the capacity of magazines.

Yeah we'll my understanding of clips and magazines sucks because I don't give a shit. But I still support your constitutional right to bear arms.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Yeah we'll my understanding of clips and magazines sucks because I don't give a shit. But I still support your constitutional right to bear arms.

As long as the arms don't look scary or carry more bullets than "you" think I need.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

As do I.

No, you don't. Your op shows as much. I don't compromise where the constitution says I don't have to.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

As long as the arms don't look scary or carry more bullets than "you" think I need.

I'm not your problem on this issue. Go argue with dirk or something.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Brock

No, you don't. Your op shows as much. I don't compromise where the constitution says I don't have to.

We regulate free speech to prevent harm to society.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm not your problem on this issue. Go argue with dirk or something.

Did you not propose #4 as a compromise?

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Did you not propose #4 as a compromise?

Yes