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View Poll Results: Is this an acceptable compromise?
Yes 4 12.50%
No 22 68.75%
Maybe, see my tweak to the proposal 1 3.13%
Take out the restriction on the # of rounds in a clip, then we got a deal 5 15.63%
We need to go further to restrict access to guns 0 0%
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Old 12-22-2012, 08:58 AM  
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BRC's propsed gun control legislation

I'm a known Obama supporter on here. I also have a long standing belief that gun control legislation usually doesn't work and besides...and this is not a small thing in the discussion..........the constitution is clear, the right to keep and bear arms should not be infringed. Thats why even though I don't own guns or hunt that I've been a strong supporter of the 2nd amendment. The constitution is clear.

I understand that the constitution is also very clear on free speech but we restrict free speech in some circumstances (libel, yelling fire etc.). Thats the test that I've always used in evaluating any gun control legislation. If we allow and support the real ugly and reprehensible parts of free speech such as the Nazi's marching in a Jewish neighborhood then the Democrats must do the same with allowing gun owners that freedom guaranteed under the Constitution.

The Republicans have to be open to some limitations on gun control along the same lines as the limits we put on free speech.

The compromise:
  1. Forbid the mentally ill to own guns of any kind.
  2. Forbid those who have been found guilty of violence against fellow citizens from owning guns.
  3. Make illegal the purchase and ownership of armor piercing bullets.
  4. Make illegal any ammunition clips greater than 10 rounds. (Exception could be in place for gun ranges)
  5. Make laws that punish gun owners if their own registered guns are used to commit crimes.
  6. Closing the gun show loophole.
#1 and #2 are easy. No one should be against those proposals.
#3 There is no need reason for an individual citizen to own armor piercing bullets.
#4 This is the key. The Ft. Hood, Va. tech, Gabby Giffords shooter were all stopped when their ammo clips ran out and they stop to reload. We can limit the body count if they have to stop to reload a clip even if it takes only 3-5 seconds.
#5 Gun owners should already be securing their firearms so that kids, mentally ill, suicidal people don't have access to their guns. This would have prevented Shady Hook.
#6 You buy a gun at your local shop they perform a background check but buy at a gun show they don't? Thats idiotic. If there is a background check, it applies to gun shows.



What got left off the table:
  • Assault weapons ban. It was already in effect for 10 years. It didn't lower crime. It doesn't meet the first amendment Nazi's marching test. The constitution is about the rights to own guns, not how many bullets that gun can fire.
  • Mental illness legislation. A different discussion.

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Old 01-15-2013, 09:42 PM   #151
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We regulate free speech to prevent harm to society.
Keeping me from owning any weapon or accessory I choose to own does NOT prevent harm to society.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:44 PM   #152
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Keeping me from owning any weapon or accessory I choose to own does NOT prevent harm to society.
Not you but a mentally ill person, maybe.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:44 PM   #153
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Well then my argument IS with you. Again, who are you or who the **** is anyone else for that matter, to tell me how many rounds my magazines can hold when it comes to my self-defense?

You want to approach this as if 99.9% of "high capacity" magazine owners go postal every other day instead of the reality that 99.9% of all firearm owners are good, law abiding citizens.

More people are killed each year by drunk drivers yet I don't see anyone on the Left pushing to outlaw alcohol or cars.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:45 PM   #154
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Not you but a mentally ill person, maybe.
So you want to infringe the vast majority because a very small minority?
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Well then my argument IS with you. Again, who are you or who the **** is anyone else for that matter, to tell me how many rounds my magazines can hold when it comes to my self-defense?

You want to approach this as if 99.9% of "high capacity" magazine owners go postal every other day instead of the reality that 99.9% of all firearm owners are good, law abiding citizens.

More people are killed each year by drunk drivers yet I don't see anyone on the Left pushing to outlaw alcohol or cars.
i don't want shit to happen dickwad. It's a overreaction to a tradegy.

Sorry but I'm done here. It's going to turn out worse if there is no compromise. Just go ahead and reap what you sew.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:49 PM   #156
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Sorry but I'm done here. It's going to turn out worse if there is no compromise. Just go ahead and reap what you sew.
How about you don't worry about me and my 30 round magazines? It's not like you're going to run to my defense when I need it so let me take care of me and you worry about you.
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Old 01-15-2013, 09:51 PM   #157
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No, you don't. Your op shows as much. I don't compromise where the constitution says I don't have to.
Even in the latest Supreme Court gun case they said the government can put in reasonable gun control laws.

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The Supreme Court has said that “laws imposing conditions and qualifications” on firearms sales may be permitted. This might allow, for instance, more background-check requirements. The court further indicated in 2008 that “an important limitation on the right to keep and carry arms” extends to “dangerous and unusual weapons.”

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Even in the latest Supreme Court gun case they said the government can put in reasonable gun control laws.


It's not reasonable to tell someone how many rounds their magazine can hold since the government cannot predict the situation you may find yourself in when it is time to defend yourself. The idiot governor over NY can say "it doesn't take 10 bullets to kill a deer" and while he is right it has absoluetly nothing to do with the 2nd nor how may bullets it may take to defend me and my family.
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It's not reasonable to tell someone how many rounds their magazine can hold since the government cannot predict the situation you may find yourself in when it is time to defend yourself. The idiot governor over NY can say "it doesn't take 10 bullets to kill a deer" and while he is right it has absoluetly nothing to do with the 2nd nor how may bullets it may take to defend me and my family.
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“The prohibition of semi-automatic rifles and large-capacity magazines does not effectively disarm individuals or substantially affect their ability to defend themselves,” said Judge Douglas Ginsburg, who was appointed by President Ronald Reagan.

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I'd like to see his crystal ball before I say he isn't full of shit. And what is "large" ?
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I'd like to see his crystal ball before I say he isn't full of shit. And what is "large" ?
D.C's latest law bans magazines that can hold over 10 rounds. This judge upheld that.
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Not you but a mentally ill person, maybe.
That's not the totality of your grand plan. Your plan infringes on MY rights.
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D.C's latest law bans magazines that can hold over 10 rounds. This judge upheld that.
Glad to know murders have stopped in dc.
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Even in the latest Supreme Court gun case they said the government can put in reasonable gun control laws.


That is not what the constitution says.
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How about you don't worry about me and my 30 round magazines?
Having seen many of your crazy posts, I can't help worrying about you being armed with a spork.
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