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Old 09-18-2012, 09:07 AM  
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Geno Smith fans roll call

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:
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GIF #2:
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GIF #3 (My favorite):
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HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

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Old 01-15-2013, 10:26 PM   #9541
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Okay, now that Da Face has confirmed that you are not Blackbob or Knowmo, I'll try to be a bit more reasonable in my responses.

Mingo, while impressive with his drive and ability to play through the whistle, is raw. I like the guy, but you could be getting a JPP or an Aaron Maybin with him. That's not a #1 overall pick. That's a huge boom/bust pick you make if you have a team that's solid and you can afford such a pick. And his numbers through his career are not representative of a guy who is a sure fire #1 pick.

Jordan is almost the same guy as Mingo. Raw, athletic and started to disappear when he became the focal point of the defense in 2012. His stats dropped and he wasn't the disruptive force he was in 2011. Again, not a guy you spend the #1 pick on. They are not Von Miller, and even he didn't go #1.

Moore is a tweener that is either going to have to add weight or drop it to play either end or LB in either scheme. He's most likely a 43 DE. However, he doesn't have superb instincts and ends up chasing plays rather than creating them.

Finally, Geno is definitely better at his position than Mingo, Jordan and Moore are at theirs. They are good players, but none of them have put up consistent production that would merit even a top ten pick.

The only guy who has is Jones, and he doesn't have elite speed and has a degenerative neck injury that is going to be a huge concern for any team looking at drafting him.



I live in Utah, and go to the Utah games.

Starlite is a very good player, but he's not the disruptive, upfield force that guys like Suh, McCoy, Dorsey and the like were at the same stage. He's immensely strong and can absolutely hold a gap like crazy. He's a 34 or 43 NT in the mold of a Vince Wilfork. And I don't know if he's that good, but that is his absolute ceiling. I'd even argue that John Hankins of Ohio State is better due to more versatility. Both are near identical players.

And the Chiefs just spent the #11 pick on basically the same type of player in Dontari Poe last season. There is not a chance in hell that he's going to the Chiefs #1, nor is he worth the #1 pick.



Easily. Jones has been a first team All-American at three different positions on the line and he was best as a guard as a sophomore (even better than his Outland Trophy winning performance at left tackle as a junior). The guy is a beast and showed as much by playing in a National Championship game on a foot that's going to require lisfranc surgery. Warmack is a good player, but he isn't as good as Jones from the same team and he isn't on the same level as DeCastro or Hudson the two previous years. He's nowhere close to being the best player in the draft and definitely not worth the #1 pick even before you factor in the fact that he plays the guard position. Even if I knew Larry Allen was going to be THE Larry Allen or Will Shield to be THE Will Shields, you still don't pick that guy top ten. It's a ****ing guard. It's a worse argument than trying to tell people that Manti Te'o is worth the #1 pick.



And that's why Joeckel isn't worth a #1. He's the best OT prospect in this class, theoretically, but it's a weak class and he's not on the same level as previous top players at his position. Add to that that he's going to require intensive retraining due to the system and the QB he's had to work with.

And he's still not as good at his position as Geno has been at his.

Geno's body of work is stellar. That he didn't win more his senior year is most definitely not on him due to a defensive unit that gave up an average of 47.6 points per game in their six losses. Geno did all he could and carried that team. And he's got a BCS MVP game under his belt from his junior season. The stats are identical/better than both Luck and Griffin, the two "superstar, can't miss prospects" from last year. And the amazing thing is that Geno's stats against Top 25 teams are even better than what he put up against the rest. He's got all the tools. Prototype size. Experience.

The only thing that Geno is going up against in terms of not being the consensus #1 in this draft is Luck, Griffin and Wilson and the success they had in the NFL this season. He's a better prospect than every QB that has gone in the top ten in the past 10 years other than a guy named Luck. Tell me that Tannehill, Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Bradford, Stafford, Ryan, Russell, Young, Leinhardt, Sanchez, or Smith are a better pro prospect coming out, had better tools and a better career than Geno Smith at the same stage. They aren't. And no one had problems with those guys getting picked in the top ten or even #1 overall. Yet Geno as the #1 overall is bringing out the uneducated masses from the woodwork like a plague of silverfish.

However, there seems to be a general consensus around here with the more astute posters that Geno is the guy. I've never seen that before either.

I think I'm going with Group #2 on this one versus the horde of silverfish.
Cool...well thought out and written response. I agree on a lot of accounts. This was a make or break year for Mingo. IMO he disappointed. I think Werner compares a little more to the raw aspect. Mingo is a beast. But if he's 240 lbs he's an OLB.
Jarvis is horrid against the run and top tackles. The neck issue doesn't help, though he's tremendous at rushing the passer.

In regards to Warmak, I highly suggest you go back and watch the NC if you can. There is one play near the end of the 3rd QT where he got cut by a DE and was blocking Tuitt from his knees, Te'o tried to close a gap and he blocked him (while blocking Tuitt) with 1 arm. The guy is an absolute freak. He's a way better prospect than Jones. That's why many regard him as the best in the draft. He's like Shawn Andrews but better IMO (before he went crazy).

Geno has some accolades to his name and some gaudy numbers. IDK how he's gonna do at the next level. I have my questions and he def isn't the undoubted #1 prospect.

In regards to Star, I think he's scheme diverse...I personally would take him to play NT next to Cox for us in a 4-3 1 gap.
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Saccopoo -

Had an interesting discussion with a Rams fan I respect greatly tonight. He is CONVINCED Sam Bradford was a much more proven, elite player coming out of college than Geno.

I tried to bring up the lack of talent around him - especially the OL talent. And then he brought up the progressions issue and started citing the LSU game (which I had linked him to) as an example. I pointed out that: 1) LSU game, he didn't have TIME to progress through more than 2 reads; 2) Bradford had considerable talent around him. Comparable at WR/TE and MUCH MUCH better OL to protect him.

People really do seem to blame Geno for how bad the rest of his team was (outside Austin and Bailey). Just funny.
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Saccopoo -

Had an interesting discussion with a Rams fan I respect greatly tonight. He is CONVINCED Sam Bradford was a much more proven, elite player coming out of college than Geno.

I tried to bring up the lack of talent around him - especially the OL talent. And then he brought up the progressions issue and started citing the LSU game (which I had linked him to) as an example. I pointed out that: 1) LSU game, he didn't have TIME to progress through more than 2 reads; 2) Bradford had considerable talent around him. Comparable at WR/TE and MUCH MUCH better OL to protect him.

People really do seem to blame Geno for how bad the rest of his team was (outside Austin and Bailey). Just funny.
He's got a stud RB and a half way decent line...the line gets grief for the amount of stress they have to endure because of the wide open offensive sets.
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IDK what Andy's masterplan is for you guys...I'd venture to say it'll be Geno or Nassib if you guys draft a QB. Nassib would love playing for Reid btw...he's a local kid who grew up watching the Andy led Eagles.
And there you go...the bias.

Let's be real for a second. I like Nassib a lot. Most guys around here do. But he's not close to Geno in terms of potential or production.

Everyone likes to have their homer favorite, but there is a time for a little objectivity, especially with the first overall pick.

I've got season tickets for the Utes, and even if we didn't pick Poe last year, I still wouldn't want the Chiefs picking Starlite #1 overall.

Geno is as good as I've seen at the QB position at the college level in a long, long time. There have been two QB's that I wanted the Chiefs to take in the past 10 years when they had a realistic chance of taking them - Kaepernick and Rogers. And I like Geno better than either at the same stage.
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And there you go...the bias.

Let's be real for a second. I like Nassib a lot. Most guys around here do. But he's not close to Geno in terms of potential or production.

Everyone likes to have their homer favorite, but there is a time for a little objectivity, especially with the first overall pick.

I've got season tickets for the Utes, and even if we didn't pick Poe last year, I still wouldn't want the Chiefs picking Starlite #1 overall.

Geno is as good as I've seen at the QB position at the college level in a long, long time. There have been two QB's that I wanted the Chiefs to take in the past 10 years when they had a realistic chance of taking them - Kaepernick and Rogers. And I like Geno better than either at the same stage.
Whoa? Aaron Rodgers? Kaepernick is gonna crash and burn eventually I think unless he learns to throw the ball with some touch.

I've never said I don't like Geno...and you're entitled to your opinion on him. I think he's good, but IDK how good he'll be on the next level. I don't think he's a can't miss.

N it's not really bias, I like Nassib as a QB. Said it here I think, that he reminds me of a young Farve. WHo's gonna be better? IDK, but if i was to make a guess him, Geno and Dysert are gonna be the most successful long term.
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Aight boys and girls. Next couple days I'm starting a new Geno thread. Here's what's going to be in the OP:

-Most of the stuff (including the three gifs) already on this OP
-The fantastic Arrowhead Addict hightlight video of Geno that Pest posted earlier today
-Links to other gifs (on a remote site)

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Aight boys and girls. Next couple days I'm starting a new Geno thread. Here's what's going to be in the OP:

-Most of the stuff (including the three gifs) already on this OP
-The fantastic Arrowhead Addict hightlight video of Geno that Pest posted earlier today
-Links to other gifs (on a remote site)

Let me know if you want other stuff in there. Post it here. We're gonna break 10,000 soon, so get'em in quick
If you can find and post the throws chart displaying his completion percentages to each of the 9 zones, that would be tits.
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Whoa? Aaron Rodgers? Kaepernick is gonna crash and burn eventually I think unless he learns to throw the ball with some touch.

I've never said I don't like Geno...and you're entitled to your opinion on him. I think he's good, but IDK how good he'll be on the next level. I don't think he's a can't miss.

N it's not really bias, I like Nassib as a QB. Said it here I think, that he reminds me of a young Farve. WHo's gonna be better? IDK, but if i was to make a guess him, Geno and Dysert are gonna be the most successful long term.
Yep. Aaron Rogers. And there were questions about his game that led to his fall to 24 in that draft. In hindsight, there are 23 teams in the league that would like to have a do-over in that draft, but, yes, I like Geno better than Rogers at the same stage. I do think that they are very close in terms of playing style, size, athleticism, arm, etc. Geno's accuracy is absolutely mind blowing, and his feel for the game is uncanny. And his release is damn near perfect. His skill set is, IMO, amazing. He needs work on some stuff, but it's minor and correctable - and Reid is the kind of guy he would thrive under. Perfect match for the coach and player and team.
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Yep. Aaron Rogers. And there were questions about his game that led to his fall to 24 in that draft. In hindsight, there are 23 teams in the league that would like to have a do-over in that draft, but, yes, I like Geno better than Rogers at the same stage. I do think that they are very close in terms of playing style, size, athleticism, arm, etc. Geno's accuracy is absolutely mind blowing, and his feel for the game is uncanny. And his release is damn near perfect. His skill set is, IMO, amazing. He needs work on some stuff, but it's minor and correctable - and Reid is the kind of guy he would thrive under. Perfect match for the coach and player and team.
I can see certain aspects where you can make the comparison. You won't convert me though I swear

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Saccopoo -

Had an interesting discussion with a Rams fan I respect greatly tonight. He is CONVINCED Sam Bradford was a much more proven, elite player coming out of college than Geno.

I tried to bring up the lack of talent around him - especially the OL talent. And then he brought up the progressions issue and started citing the LSU game (which I had linked him to) as an example. I pointed out that: 1) LSU game, he didn't have TIME to progress through more than 2 reads; 2) Bradford had considerable talent around him. Comparable at WR/TE and MUCH MUCH better OL to protect him.

People really do seem to blame Geno for how bad the rest of his team was (outside Austin and Bailey). Just funny.
Bradford was like Alex Smith at the same stage. Very accurate. Great form. Good athleticism. Smart. He was worth the #1 overall like Smith was in his draft class.

The problem with both guys is that they don't have the arm to go over the top of the defense on a consistent basis from a quick release. Geno does - with accuracy.

I hate the term, but both Bradford and Smith are high level "game managers" versus a guy that has a bit of a gun slinger in him to go along with that type of accuracy. That's what makes Geno so appealling to me.

And Geno has absolutely no problem with going through his progressions. He does so quickly when necessary. He's very good at looking off the safety which leads to the "throwing open" his receivers - a lot. He's shown that ability in every game I've watched of his and isn't a concern in the slightest.

The fact that he had such a porous offensive line and a horrid defense and still put up such amazing numbers is a testament to his skills as a passer. He was forced to make throws in tight windows all game long just to keep his team in it and he was successful in doing so. Give him even a remotely decent offensive line and a defense he can lean on a bit and you end up with what he accomplished in his junior year.

Give him an NFL team with good bookend tackles and a young, talented interior and a good defense *cough*the Chiefs*cough* and he's going to give you some good shit.

At least that's my hope.
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Aight boys and girls. Next couple days I'm starting a new Geno thread. Here's what's going to be in the OP:

-Most of the stuff (including the three gifs) already on this OP
-The fantastic Arrowhead Addict hightlight video of Geno that Pest posted earlier today
-Links to other gifs (on a remote site)

Let me know if you want other stuff in there. Post it here. We're gonna break 10,000 soon, so get'em in quick
Can we get your latest musical composition made entirely of bowel sounds and awkward rape noises in the OP by chance?
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Just watch these and think about him having Reid as his coach (they are short vids, btw):









Yeah...that with Andy Reid. Reid with a renewed focus, a supportive owner and GM and Geno Smith.

You can't help but to be a fan of that.
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Soon you will be as we are, also what's the link of the eagles forum you guys hail from ?
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