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Old 01-16-2013, 12:58 AM  
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If not #1, where?

The draftniks keep saying that Geno Smith isn't worth the #1 pick.
None of them say he isn't the top QB in the class though.
If we don't take him at #1 how far is he realistically going to fall?

I see no scenario where he falls out of the Top 10.

So if he's the top QB in a weak class...
QB is our biggest need...
And he's gonna go Top 10 anyway...

Why not at #1?

Am I wrong to say he won't fall out of the Top 10?

Discuss...
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:17 AM   #46
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we drafted albert over a QB from Delaware

no risk!

great value!

and we have dick to show for it, while that QB from Delaware - who threw for 189 yards against the Delaware State Hornets - is going to his 3rd AFC Championship Game
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:18 AM   #47
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i see how you got all those posts Dave

you guys want a QB so bad that your desperation numbs what little brain power you command, there ain't one out there worth a top pick and the gameday roster is 53 players
You're getting on your soapbox and telling us all how Smith isn't worth the #1 overall pick. That's fine, it's a point of view that was recognized in the original post. What you haven't covered, interestingly enough, is the question that is then presented to you as the primary subject in this thread: If we don't take Geno, who will? Would he fall out of the Top 10? The Top 5?

If he is worth taking at 3 or 5 or 7, why isn't he worth taking at 1? He's the same player either way, and the players with the highest potential (supposedly) in the draft match spots on our roster that are already adequate, if not strong (LT, NT, OLB). Here's your chance to argue your point and redeem yourself from looking like an awful troll.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:20 AM   #48
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I look at it like this, the draft is a crap shoot that either works out for you or doesn't. Let's take the chance with Geno and get another QB later in the draft. When we look at it we know that Brady should have been in the first round the way he has worked out, so the draft experts are wrong sometimes. I think with this new coaching staff Geno can be successful. All we need is to average at least one TD a game and that will be improvement.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:23 AM   #49
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All we need is to average at least one TD a game and that will be improvement.

Exactly. If we can just the turnovers from the QB position closer to the number of TDs from the QB, that will be a huge improvement.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:26 AM   #50
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you are right Talking Can, Jake Long is the perfect example

if there isn't a guy there at #1 that you are absolutely positive about then the smart value is to trade down, QB or not

we need a boatload of players and if there isn't a franchise QB at the top pick and you can get another one with similar potential later in the round then the smart move is to move the pick and get several good players


Dave is right about there being more input to come...
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:29 AM   #51
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you are right Talking Can, Jake Long is the perfect example

if there isn't a guy there at #1 that you are absolutely positive about then the smart value is to trade down, QB or not

we need a boatload of players and if there isn't a franchise QB at the top pick and you can get another one with similar potential later in the round then the smart move is to move the pick and get several good players


Dave is right about there being more input to come...
good grief...

its so painful...this fanbase....
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:30 AM   #52
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i admit that i don't know exactly where Geno should be valued but i'm convinced that we can get him (or QB of very similar value) later on in the 1st round and in that case it makes every sense in the world to try to trade down

that's an honest opinion and yes just one opinion
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:34 AM   #53
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Geno Smith will be taken in the top five picks of the draft.. you can BANK ON IT, barring a major stumble in the combines. (And usually good QB's rise throughout the combine process)

That is what is so stupid about this discussion.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:37 AM   #54
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Geno Smith will be taken in the top five picks of the draft.. you can BANK ON IT.

That is what is so stupid about this discussion.

e.g. there is good value in a trade down to #5 if that team wants to move up ; looking at the mock drafts Geno isn't anywhere near top 5, not yet anyway, course QB's do go up as we get closer


in the end it don't matter what we think and Reid is a documented down trader so the chances are really good that we get that result

i predict a trade down and then an OL pick a bit later in the 1st
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:50 AM   #55
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I remember the 2007 draft. Brady Quinn was thought to go in the top ten. He was in the draft room, cameras would pan on him anytime a potential team might pick him. Then he kept dropping down and down. Eventually Brady went to a private room behind the watching eyes of everyone as the debacle unfolded. You felt embarrassed for the poor guy. This wasn't suppose to happen, not now!

Certain Chief fans on here were thinking the Chiefs should draft down and nab him, they had to have him! It could have been the golden moment to shine according to some of our draft "gurus" using that term loosely i might add.

Cleveland the next day was heralded in the sports pages that they stole the draft, even gave them an A grade.

I ask you, did Brady Quinn pan out over the years? Did He?
There was a reason Quinn dropped. He had character issues that were uncovered in the evaluation process. Most people didn't know about that until late in the game. That's how it works, we have to go on the information we have, and so far there aren't any of that kind of negative on Smith. Maybe there will be in April. Maybe there won't. Who knows. But it's a porous argument, because Quinn should have dropped, based on his character, and I think everyone would agree with that, now that we have the information. And I think everyone would be okay with the team not drafting Smith, if there was something like that on the books about him.

Otherwise, I have yet to hear a good, valid explanation for why Smith is not a #1 caliber pick. I hear a lot of hemming and hawing and "well, I don't actually know very much about him, but he isn't any good IMO" and "he lost 6 games, he sux!", but I have yet to see any meaningful point against him made that can't be countered (to an extensive degree in most cases) with actual video evidence.

People are just gunshy.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:51 AM   #56
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Andy is a master of trading down and accumulating picks, Geno is not the answer at #1, the team needs LOTS of players

a no brainer in my mind

more realistic that Andy trades for Kevin Kobb and accumulates draft picks to stock the whole roster and then keeps his eye out for another franchise QB
I hate you because that is entirely possible. Arizona has the #7 pick. I could very easily see Reid trading the #1 pick for Arizona's first this year and next + Kolb.

(According to the draft value charts, the trade up value from AZ's #7 position to our #1 is their first this year and next + their second round pick. Basically, we would trade the second round pick we would otherwise pick up for Kolb. That is just way too much like how our last regime started.)
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:53 AM   #57
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I hate you because that is entirely possible. Arizona has the #7 pick. I could very easily see Reid trading the #1 pick for Arizona's first this year and next + Kolb.

(According to the draft value charts, the trade up value from AZ's #7 position to our #1 is their first this year and next + their second round pick. Basically, we would trade the second round pick we would otherwise pick up for Kolb. That is just way too much like how our last regime started.)
It would be exactly how our last regime started. God, what a disaster that would be.
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Old 01-16-2013, 07:55 AM   #59
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I hate you because that is entirely possible. Arizona has the #7 pick. I could very easily see Reid trading the #1 pick for Arizona's first this year and next + Kolb.

(According to the draft value charts, the trade up value from AZ's #7 position to our #1 is their first this year and next + their second round pick. Basically, we would trade the second round pick we would otherwise pick up for Kolb. That is just way too much like how our last regime started.)
that is not a bad trade.......Kolb may not be the QB everyone wants, but I think it is fair to say he is far ahead of Cassel
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Jagwads and Faiders are sitting right behind us. Who would want Geno Smith go to the raiders? **** that. Geno Smith could go to the Jags or Raiders that is the risk we will take him going to the raiders.
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